Benjamin-Lee / deep-rules

Ten Quick Tips for Deep Learning in Biology
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Decision on article: revision #367

Closed Benjamin-Lee closed 2 years ago

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

Good news! PLOS got back to us and our manuscript is likely to be accepted:

Dear Mr. Lee,

Thank you very much for submitting your manuscript "Ten Quick Tips for Deep Learning in Biology" for consideration at PLOS Computational Biology. As with all papers reviewed by the journal, your manuscript was reviewed by members of the editorial board and by several independent reviewers. The reviewers appreciated the attention to an important topic. Based on the reviews, we are likely to accept this manuscript for publication, providing that you modify the manuscript according to the review recommendations.

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Reviewer #1: The authors have specified the importance of using Deep Learning in Biological data and on what are the aspects they have to focus when the researchers are using the Deep Learning. Even though they have mentioned ten different areas they have to focus the authors did not mentioned enough suitable examples and some common practices for some areas. Further it is important to mention some of the difficulties and limitations they have to face when they are using these methods. Specially need to identify what sort of the data need to be there and how to react when there is not enough data to carry out Deep Learning technique. In the paper some area not contain precise information with relevant references to support the statements. Hence these areas need to improve it further.

Reviewer #2: The article titled “Ten Quick Tips for Deep Learning in Biology” provides a review of potential challenges to employing deep learning in biomedical research. This well written article is of importance at a time when deep learning is broadly viewed as a magic solution to many prediction and modelling problems. It cautions the inexperienced and reminds the experienced researcher that while DL has led to remarkable advances in certain applications, it is far from guaranteed to succeed in a broad range of biomedical applications for a gamut of reasons, can lead the researcher astray, be time consuming to develop, and result in unexpected ethical risks. While the article is well written, easy to follow and of interest to the readership, a few points for improvement are worth considering prior to publication: Major comments • In point 10, Distributed learning should be mentioned. An example reference: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010482521005102 • I think it might be worth to further emphasis how results should be evaluated in the presence of class imbalance and risk/benefits of incorrect/correct predictions in the context of the specific application. On a similar note, it is mentioned that AUCROC may not be reliable, but consider recommending alternatives such as precision-recall curves. Minor comments: • Lines 153: those though • Line 183 is missing a period • Paragraph starting at line 271: This paragraph is cumbersome and contains jargon that is not introduced (CUDA/CuDNN). Is it implied that implementation (hardware and software) variations between platforms can hinder reproducibility? Or perhaps the implementation is reproducible, so long that random seeding is not used?

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Reviewer #1: (No Response)

Reviewer #2: Ran Klein

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

@agitter @cgreene @rasbt and other Deep Review coauthors, how did you manage generating the tracked changes in the past?

cgreene commented 3 years ago

Save word doc from submitted version. After revisions, get word doc from new version. Use compare versions feature in word :)

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

I hate it but I love it

rasbt commented 3 years ago

Awesome!

@agitter @cgreene @rasbt and other Deep Review coauthors, how did you manage generating the tracked changes in the past?

For everything we changed, we usually used red font color in LaTeX or Word to indicate what has changed. After that was completed, we made a separate version where all the font color was black.

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These changes should then also be mentioned in the letter, ideally quoting the changed text (I had a reviewer complaining once that it is inconvenient to have to manually cross reference the responses with the changes in the manuscript; I can agree with that).

The suggestion by @cgreene

Save word doc from submitted version. After revisions, get word doc from new version. Use compare versions feature in word :)

Sounds like a good workaround.

SiminaB commented 3 years ago

Great job team! In terms of revisions - I would go with using something beyond just color changes due to possible colorblindness issues or even just reviewers printing it out greyscale to review it. For instance, you can do underline or boldface (I like to have that + the color changes.)

I 100% agree with having the changed text included in the response letter. If it's up to 1 paragraph, can just quote it in the letter, if it's a bigger reorg or a couple of new pages (doesn't seem like that will be the case though), should at least note the sections with substantial changes.

agitter commented 3 years ago

This is good news.

Reviewer 2 has good and specific suggestions. We'll be able to make these edits.

Reviewer 1's comments are more general. I've extracted these possible revisions:

Anything else?

tbrittoborges commented 3 years ago

Would you like to "divide and conquer" the tasks for the revision?

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

Reviewer 2's points are straightforward to implement whereas Reviewer 1 is a little bit harder. I'm happy to take on reviewer 2's comments and make a PR but would appreciate some help on responding to Reviewer 1's comments. Specifically, suggestions of examples that we can add and ways to "contain precise information with relevant references to support the statements" (?) would be most appreciated.

I also completely missed the 30 day turnaround deadline. In my head, I thought there was more time left so I apologize for being distracted the last week.

agitter commented 3 years ago

One way someone could get started helping with that vague reviewer 1 comment would be to go through the full text and identify statements that are not currently referenced or well-supported. Then we could distribute adding appropriate references or removing the claims.

rasbt commented 3 years ago

I think we need to resubmit by the end of the week. (I will try to carve out some time this week to find and add some additional citations if possible)

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

Looking at the number of citations, it seems the baselines, hyperparameter, and interpretation tips are weakest. Adding 2-3 citations to each would bring them in line with the other sections and probably address the references issue.

@Benjamin-Lee ➜ /workspaces/deep-rules/content (master) $ grep -c -E "\[@"  *.md
00.front-matter.md:0
02.intro.md:6
03.when-to-use-dl.md:23
04.baselines.md:2
05.dl-complexities.md:4
06.know-your-problem.md:4
07.architecture-and-representation.md:11
08.hyperparameters.md:2
09.overfitting.md:10
10.blackbox.md:5
11.interpretation.md:2
12.privacy.md:11
13.conclusion.md:0
...
agitter commented 3 years ago

I also completely missed the 30 day turnaround deadline.

We can ask the editors for more time. Another few weeks should not be an issue for the journal. That will give us some time to finish edits and also circulate them among the co-authors so they can see the diff before resubmitting.

I'll have some time to work on this soon but am unlikely to get to it this week.

rasbt commented 3 years ago

That sounds like a good plan. Ben, can you write the Journal to request more time? Maybe 2-4 weeks?

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

That sounds like a good plan. Ben, can you write the Journal to request more time? Maybe 2-4 weeks?

Just sent the request, will keep you informed what they reply

rasbt commented 3 years ago

Did they reply to your request?

Benjamin-Lee commented 3 years ago

Apologies, forgot to add the reply. We have until the end of this month so we're GTG. Just polishing up the response now.

rasbt commented 3 years ago

No worries. Just reviewed the response letter. Thanks for putting that together, I think we are good to go :)

agitter commented 3 years ago

Thanks for getting the extension and working on the revisions and letter.

Does this mean all the reviewer comments have been addressed? If so, we could email all co-authors and give them ~1 week to review the revised version and then resubmit.

Benjamin-Lee commented 2 years ago

I think that the reviewer comments have been adequately addressed. I'll send out an email with the letter and revised copy for their review.

Benjamin-Lee commented 2 years ago

Revision submitted! Thanks again everyone for the help.

rasbt commented 2 years ago

Awesome, thanks for doing this!

SiminaB commented 2 years ago

We got editorial acceptance (in case anyone missed the email on January 4th)!

rasbt commented 2 years ago

Wohoo, congrats everyone! @Benjamin-Lee how are the next steps, do you need help with anything?

rasbt commented 2 years ago

@Benjamin-Lee do you need any help regarding the following?

Before your manuscript can be formally accepted you will need to complete some formatting changes, which you will receive in a follow up email. A member of our team will be in touch with a set of requests.

Benjamin-Lee commented 2 years ago

Nope, it’s already been re-submitted! They just wanted me to convert the affiliations to numeric format and add cities/countries for all the authors. I think we’re good to go for now.

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rasbt commented 2 years ago

Awesome, thanks for taking care of it! Glad that went smoothly!