Quid pro quo regarding Theodore

[MarcinKrawczuk]

According to Tito Orlandi, if I understand it correctly, the famous martyr Theodore was "duplicated" by Copts into two persons: one associated with Egypt, and one no. This apparently was inherited by Ethiopian tradition where we have a) PRS9436Tewodros attested in BnF 179, EMML 1824 and EMML 1939 b) PRS9470Theodore attested in BL Or. 686, EMML 2514, Ṭānāsee 121 = Dāgā Esṭifānos 10 et al.

Now, if the above makes sense, should we keep two records for each Theodore or explain the situation in one record?

@abausi @thea-m @DariaElagina @DenisNosnitsin1970

[thea-m]

Thank you for pointing this out! As I understand the situation, Theodore Stratelates (https://betamasaheft.eu/persons/PRS9470Theodore/main) and Theodore of Eucaita/Theodore Tiro (https://betamasaheft.eu/persons/PRS9436Tewodros/main) had converged in the Coptic tradition. I would agree to merge both records, with an explanation, since this is the tradition that we're dealing with.

It could also be useful to check the attestations of Theodore the Anatolian/Oriental (https://betamasaheft.eu/persons/PRS9472Theodore/main), there might be inaccuracies.

If there are no objections by next week, I will do this.

[abausi]

I think that we cannot merge them, because the merging is only one of the possible developments, also within the Coptic tradition (Orlandi says this precisely in his entry), but we do not know to which steo of the tradition refer the items which are present in the Ethiopian tradition; at best, we would need three: 1) separate one, 2) separate two, 3) merged.

[thea-m]

Thank you, @abausi! Do you refer to Theodore Stratelates and Theodore of Eucaita, or Theodore Stratelates/of Eucaita and Theodore the Oriental? (In any case, I think that the idea of a "general person record" can make sense here)

[abausi]

At best, we should distiguish all the three, plus the general entry; I note that even in the GS we have already three commemoration dates for "Theodors": 5 Ḫǝdār, 12 Ṭǝrr, 20 Ḥamle. But it could be helpful to have even a fifth one, if needed, for the merged Theodore Stratelates/of Eucaita, when this is clear. We shall verifiy, how complex and feasible this is.

[thea-m]

Having the entries in itself is not a problem, the issue will be the correctness of reference to them from other entries. But a "general record" with a clear description will help.

[MarcinKrawczuk]

Thank you very much for this discussion, of which I've made notes. I hope to return to this question, however until 14th of March my time that I can devote to BM will be extremely limited due to obligations at my department.