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Die Schriftkultur des christlichen Äthiopiens: Eine multimediale Forschungsumgebung
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CAVT text lost and found #672

Closed PietroLiuzzo closed 6 years ago

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

I cannot find anything matching n. 72 in CAVT. Alius sermo de nativitate Henoch. this is an example search. http://betamasaheft.eu/as.html?query=birth+Enoch&references=&xmlid=&work-types=work

should I create a new record or did I simply miss the correct english title present in the data?

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

I also cannot find a record for CAVT 90 De connnoratione Abrahae et Sarae In Aegypto

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

117 Mors Joseph ? 141 Arde'et et Acta Moysi (aethiopice) ?

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

230 Historia Josias ?

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

Alius sermo de nativitate Henoch (CAVT no. 72): it seems to have been treated in Siegbert Uhlig, Das äthiopische Henochbuch, Gütersloh 1984 (Jüdische Schriften aus hellenistisch-römischer Zeit 5), pp. 466ff. Unfortunately I do not have that book at hand now, if none can check the reference I will do as soon as I am in Hamburg. I suspect a new record is anyway needed.

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

CAVT 90 De connnoratione Abrahae et Sarae In Aegypto: I have two options

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

141 Arde'et et Acta Moysi (aethiopice): there are five records in the app named Maṣḥafa ʾardǝʾǝt (Book of the disciples), depending on the version, either Christian or Betä Ǝsraʾel, and again if long or short recension. The one at issue should be the Betä Ǝsraʾel version (= LIT3945ArdeetBE), in which Moses (not Jesus) reveals the secret names of God to his disciples. But there are more magical texts known as "Acts (or Prayer) of Moses", two at least published, so this identification still requires more study. Is there any clue in the Clavis?

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

CAVT 72 (Alius sermo de nativitate Henoch) is the fourth book of the Maṣḥafa mǝśṭira samāy wa-mǝdr (LIT1954Mashaf). Clavis number added to the textpart.

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

could you commit that? what does to the textpart means? thanks!

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

` 

           <listBibl type="clavis">
              <bibl  type="CAVT">
                 <ptr target="bm:CAVT"/>
                 <citedRange unit="item">72</citedRange>
              </bibl>
           </listBibl>`
PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

I see. Thanks! Was this documented in the guidelines? we will have to test the viability of this approch. would not a CAVT id justify a separate record?

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

please check if the current visualization of this information is satisfactory and that it is not deceiving.

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

In reality the fourth book of the Maṣḥafa mǝśṭira samāy wa-mǝdr is never found as an autonomous text in any witness of the work. I do not think there is evidence for a separate record,

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

good, then we only need to make sure that the way the information is visualized at the moment does not deceive a user to think that the whole work equals CAVT 72, right?

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

The CAVT reference appears in the app but perhaps it needs more visibility.

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

no, this is exactly the point. The reference is under Chapter 4, but perhaps one would like to see it also under the main title of the work, but obviously referred only to chapter 4

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

http://betamasaheft.eu/works/LIT1954Mashaf/text?per-page=1&start=14&keyword=&date-range=&language=

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

that obviously is no piece of cake :) but I will see what can be done. thanks!

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

thank you!

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

CAVT 117 (Mors Joseph) = LIT2458Testam (Testament of Joseph, or ዜናሁ፡ ለዮሴፍ፡)

MassimoVilla commented 6 years ago

CAVT 230 (Historia Josias) refers to a work probably dealing with the Israelite king and inserted as an apocryphal appendage to the canonical Jeremiah in an unspecified and not investigated manuscript from a church in Tegray. The information was given by Roger Cowley in 1971. In my view, at present it is too little to create a new record out of this remark.

PietroLiuzzo commented 6 years ago

thanks! I have added in brakets the id of the textpart. I think we can consider this issue closed