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Feature Request: "Grouped By" w/o needing to sort #347

Closed viking2 closed 2 months ago

viking2 commented 2 months ago

Currently I need to sort by a column to be able to group by that column.

I would like an option to be able to group by a column w/o also being required to sort by that column (That is how it woks in Outlook).

See example & discussion here: https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3125138

Betterbird commented 2 months ago

What is asked for here is "threaded" (by subject/conversation) and in the thread, sorted by date descending. That's called reversed threading which is available in BB: https://www.betterbird.eu/media/img/reversed-threading.png

viking2 commented 2 months ago

Threads are for subjects. I am not grouping by subject, but by Tag.

I would like to group by Tag but only sort by date. In other words, I want the Tags grouped and the Tag group with the latest Date show up on top. This is how it works in Outlook.

See example & discussion here: https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3125138

Betterbird commented 2 months ago

Maybe read what you wrote (quote):

I am grouping by subject and therefore need to sort by subject. My secondary sort is by date. In this case, messages are first sorted by subject and then by date within each subject. That is correct, but not what I want. I want this:

Subject2 message (9/23/24) message (8/05/24)

Subject3 message (9/20/24) message (8/25/24)

Subject1 message (9/15/24) message (8/10/24)

viking2 commented 2 months ago

Yes, you are correct. My bad. Threading by subject is the way to go in this case. However, for some reason the subjects were not threaded. Messages have the exact same subject line but they are not grouped together for unknown reason. That is why I grouped by subject instead. Not sure how to troubleshoot this?

In other cases, I would like to group by Tag and only sort by date In other words, I want the Tags grouped and the Tag group with the latest Date to show up on top.

Betterbird commented 2 months ago

Well, threading is different than grouping by subject. In a thread, you can change the subject, and two distinct threads can have the same subject. That's why grouping by subject doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

viking2 commented 2 months ago

OK. I updated my post on the Thunderbird forum (https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14985197#p14985197) I am not sure why I can't reproduce what I get in Outlook in BetterBird.

The goal is to "group" the conversations (Outlook terminology) and then sort them by date.

Betterbird commented 2 months ago

The goal is to "group" the conversations (Outlook terminology) and then sort them by date.

The TB folks are working on a conversation view, which also includes sent messages (replies). The closest you get to this is threaded, which is why the forced threading onto everyone. Reverse threading makes it even closer.

Sorry, no can do right now.

viking2 commented 2 months ago

Maybe an addon such as this one https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/ would work in the meantime to reproduce my Outlook results?

p.s. I just tried the addon, but it made no difference. The subjects are still not grouped together (I have an Email list discussing various topics but the messages of each topic are not grouped like in Outlook)

Betterbird commented 2 months ago

Yes, the very invasive "Conversations" add-on delivers something like OL's view.

viking2 commented 2 months ago

I think that my edit may have crossed your response.

I tried the addon, but it made no difference. The subjects are still not grouped together (I have an Email list discussing various topics but the messages of each topic are not grouped like in Outlook)