order of species on data entry page

[IanMiddlebrook]

Hi @DavidRoy I'm not sure when this happened, or if it's always been this way, but the order of species in the online data entry form does not match the standard field recording forms. Specifically, the field recording forms go Meadow Brown, Ringlet, Small Heath, whereas the online form goes Meadow Brown, Small Heath, Ringlet. This can/will lead to data transcription errors.

I remember, many years ago, the field recording form was re-designed to match the order in the old Transect Walker software, which followed the new taxonomic order of the day, but I'm not sure why the online order has gone back the other way round.

Is this something that can be easily changed?

I know taxonomic order is completely different now, but we agreed not to keep changing the field forms, so it would make sense for the online form to match.

Thanks, Ian

[Gary-van-Breda]

Hi @IanMiddlebrook

I've included here a list of all the species in the Butterfly list. The Meadow Brown/Small Heath/Ringlet are at the end. Changing this order is just simply changing the value of the taxonomic_sort order, and is quite easy. However, the Large Heath is in amongst them - what should the order be when we include the Large Heath?

There are 2 other cases we need to consider, as they feature duplicated taxonomic sort orders, and sorting this now seems a sensible thing to do - otherwise we can't guarantee the order.

• Sort order 11: Leptidea juvernica (Cryptic Wood White) and Leptidea sinapis (Wood White)
• Sort order 65: Danaus plexippus (Monarch) and Pararge aegeria (Speckled Wood)

Several of the taxa do not have a rank: can you confirm what these are? I'll also update those.

I've included a couple of columns showing whether the taxa are included in the existing common list, and the new common list proposed in #223

id	parent_id	sort order	taxon	common_name	taxon_rank	Original Common	New Common
283020	283012	1	Carterocephalus palaemon	Chequered Skipper	Species
283022	283012	2	Thymelicus sylvestris	Small Skipper	Species
283024	283012	3	Thymelicus lineola	Essex Skipper	Species
283018	283012	4	Small/Essex Skipper	Small/Essex Skipper
283026	283012	5	Thymelicus acteon	Lulworth Skipper	Species
283028	283012	6	Hesperia comma	Silver-spotted Skipper	Species
283030	283012	7	Ochlodes sylvanus	Large Skipper
283032	283012	8	Erynnis tages	Dingy Skipper	Subspecies
283034	283012	9	Pyrgus malvae	Grizzled Skipper	Species
283036	283013	10	Papilio machaon	Swallowtail	Species
316475	283014	11	Leptidea juvernica	Cryptic Wood White
283038	283014	11	Leptidea sinapis	Wood White	Species
283040	283014	12	Colias hyale	Pale Clouded Yellow	Species
283042	283014	14	Colias alfacariensis	Berger's Clouded Yellow	Species
283044	283014	15	Colias croceus	Clouded Yellow	Species
283046	283014	16	Gonepteryx rhamni	Brimstone	Species	Y	Y
283048	283014	18	Pieris brassicae	Large White	Species	Y	Y
283050	283014	19	Pieris rapae	Small White	Species		Y
283052	283014	20	Pieris napi	Green-veined White	Species		Y
283054	283014	22	Anthocharis cardamines	Orange Tip	Species	Y	Y
283056	283015	23	Callophrys rubi	Green Hairstreak	Species
283058	283015	24	Thecla betulae	Brown Hairstreak	Species
283060	283015	25	Neozephrus (Quercusia) quercus	Purple Hairstreak	Species
283062	283015	26	Satyrium w-album	White-letter Hairstreak	Species
283064	283015	27	Satyrium pruni	Black Hairstreak	Species
283066	283015	28	Lycaena phlaeas	Small Copper	Species	Y	Y
283068	283015	29	Lycaena dispar	Large Copper
283070	283015	32	Cupido minimus	Small Blue	Species
283072	283015	34	Plebeius (Plebejus) argus	Silver-studded Blue	Species
283074	283015	35	Aricia agestis	Brown Argus	Species
283076	283015	36	Aricia artaxerxes	Northern Brown Argus	Species
283078	283015	37	Polyommatus icarus	Common Blue	Species	Y	Y
283080	283015	39	Polyommatus (Lysandra) coridon	Chalk-hill Blue
283082	283015	40	Polyommatus (Lysandra) bellargus	Adonis Blue
283084	283015	42	Celastrina argiolus	Holly Blue	Species		Y
284500	283015	43	Phengaris arion	Large Blue	Species
283086	283016	45	Hamearis lucina	Duke of Burgundy Fritillary	Species
283088	283016	46	Limenitis camilla	White Admiral	Species
283090	283016	47	Apatura iris	Purple Emperor	Species
283092	283016	48	Vanessa atalanta	Red Admiral	Species	Y	Y
283094	283016	49	Vanessa (Cynthia) cardui	Painted Lady	Species	Y	Y
283096	283016	50	Aglais urticae	Small Tortoiseshell	Species		Y
283098	283016	51	Nymphalis polychloros	Large Tortoiseshell
283100	283016	52	Nymphalis antiopa	Camberwell Beauty	Species
283102	283016	53	Inachis io	Peacock	Species	Y	Y
283104	283016	54	Polygonia c-album	Comma	Species		Y
283106	283016	56	Boloria selene	Small Pearl-bordered Fritillary	Species
283108	283016	57	Boloria euphrosyne	Pearl-bordered Fritillary	Species
283110	283016	59	Argynnis adippe	High Brown Fritillary	Species
283112	283016	60	Argynnis aglaja	Dark Green Fritillary	Species
283114	283016	61	Argynnis paphia	Silver-washed Fritillary	Species
283116	283016	62	Euphydryas (Eurodryas) aurinia	Marsh Fritillary	Species
283118	283016	63	Melitaea cinxia	Glanville Fritillary	Species
283120	283016	64	Melitaea (Mellicta) athalia	Heath Fritillary	Species
431521	283016	65	Danaus plexippus	Monarch	Species
283122	283017	65	Pararge aegeria	Speckled Wood	Species	Y	Y
283124	283017	66	Lasiommata megera	Wall Brown	Species
283126	283017	67	Erebia epiphron	Mountain Ringlet	Species
283128	283017	68	Erebia aethiops	Scotch Argus	Species
283130	283017	69	Melanargia galathea	Marbled White	Species		Y
283132	283017	70	Hipparchia semele	Grayling	Species
283134	283017	71	Pyronia tithonus	Gatekeeper / Hedge Brown	Species	Y	Y
283136	283017	72	Maniola jurtina	Meadow Brown	Species	Y	Y
283138	283017	73	Coenonympha pamphilus	Small Heath	Species		Y
283140	283017	74	Coenonympha tullia	Large Heath	Species
283142	283017	75	Aphantopus hyperantus	Ringlet	Species	Y	Y

[IanMiddlebrook]

Hi @Gary-van-Breda @DavidRoy

For the bottom of the list, I've checked with recording forms and old Transect Walker software, and they all have Ringlet sitting between Meadow Brown and Small Heath - so that would be the best order for recorders.

For the Cryptic/Wood White, we don't have a precedent, and modern taxonomy places Cryptic Wood White after Wood White, so we'll go with that.

Monarch should be above Speckled Wood - however this brings me to another point:

Pale Clouded Yellow, Berger's Clouded Yellow, Large Copper, Large Tortoiseshell, Camberwell Beauty, Monarch - these are all rare migrants, which the UKBMS does not report on. Most records of these are entered by mistake or need to be verified. The mistakes could be avoided if they were not on the 'full' list. Would it be possible to remove them from the 'full' list, but keep them (along with Queen of Spain Fritillary) available to add to your site list (deliberately) if you had a genuine record? Queen of Spain Fritillary is a request from the Channel Isles, which sees it fairly regularly.

As for taxon-rank - I would've thought they were all Species - I'm not sure why Dingy Skipper is considered a different case? I'd need to defer to @DavidRoy on this point.

Thanks, Ian

[Gary-van-Breda]

@IanMiddlebrook @DavidRoy I've altered the ordering as follows:

• Wood White is now before Cryptic Wood White
• Monarch is now before Speckled Wood
• Ringlet is now between Meadow Brown and Small Heath (Large Heath is at the very end)

The code currently does not allow for the "full" list to be a subset of the species on the list: we could do something similar to the common species list, and have it driven off a Yes/No attribute on the taxon. @DavidRoy : shall I do this?

[IanMiddlebrook]

Instead of calling it the Full list, if we remove the rare migrants by default, could we call it 'All UK Regulars' ?

[IanMiddlebrook]

Hi @DavidRoy @Gary-van-Breda , the remaining issue of rare migrants has raised its head again this season, with Queen of Spain Fritillary and Long-tailed Blue being recorded on transects, but the recorders unable to enter those records on the butterfly list.

I think the preferred/workable solution is that we extend the available migrants on the 'full' list to include both these species, but we add a list of 'All UK Regulars' which does not include the rare migrants, so can be used to avoid errors in the majority of circumstances.

Thanks, Ian

[Gary-van-Breda]

Hi @IanMiddlebrook @DavidRoy Which of the existing species on the Butterflies list are rare migrants (i.e. those which we do not want on the Regulars list)?

[IanMiddlebrook]

Hi @Gary-van-Breda

Pale Clouded Yellow Berger's Clouded Yellow Large Copper Large Tortoiseshell Camberwell Beauty Monarch

[Gary-van-Breda]

Hi @IanMiddlebrook : I've pushed a change for the extra "All UK Regulars" species preload list to the Test environment, and configured it on the normal Transect walk data entry (not WCBS yet). Could you check you are happy?

[IanMiddlebrook]

Hi @Gary-van-Breda

The UK Regulars list looks fine

The 'All' list is still missing those additional rare migrants mentioned in my comment from August 2022 - Queen of Spain Fritillary, Long-tailed Blue

I think Long-tailed Blue would need to be between Large Copper and Small Blue Queen of Spain Fritillary, between Pearl-bordered Fritillary and High Brown Fritillary

Thanks, Ian

[Gary-van-Breda-EdiUni]

@DavidRoy : Is there someone who is responsible for the upkeep of the species list for UKBMS? (has it been uploaded from some reference source?), Or are you happy for me to add these at the position's Ian has mentioned?

[DavidRoy]

@Gary-van-Breda happy to go with Ian's advice on this

[Gary-van-Breda]

@IanMiddlebrook : I have added the two taxa in the requested positions. https://warehouse1.indicia.org.uk/index.php/taxa_taxon_list/edit/621050 https://warehouse1.indicia.org.uk/index.php/taxa_taxon_list/edit/621052

To be honest, I don't know which keys are important in this case - do you know?

[IanMiddlebrook]

Sorry @Gary-van-Breda , I don't have permission to access those links, but I doubt I'd know which keys were important. Perhaps one for @DavidRoy to check?