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Nudge: chapters 2, 3, & 4: July 7 #73

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HashNotAdam commented 4 years ago

Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness by Richard H. Thaler, Cass R. Sunstein

https://www.amazon.com/Nudge-Improving-Decisions-Health-Happiness-ebook/dp/B00A5DCALY/

Aiming to read:

Chapter 2: Resisting Temptation Chapter 3: Following the Herd Chapter 4: When Do We Need a Nudge?

MC: @antoinemacia Notes: @HashNotAdam See you 12 pm Tuesday, July 7th @ https://whereby.com/blackmill

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HashNotAdam commented 4 years ago

Chapter 2: Resisting Temptation

Temptation

Mindless Choosing

Self-control strategies

Mental accounting

Chapter 3: Following the herd

Doing what others do

The spotlight effect

Cultural change, political change, and unpredictability

Social nudges as choice architecture

Priming

HashNotAdam commented 4 years ago

Discussion

@antoinemacia: Can you resist nudges? If you do, what is the effect? The chapter caused reflection—you think of specific ways you've been nudged throughout your life and your reaction is "Oh well!" rather that it being a big issue

@elle: In understanding @lachlanhardy's weakness of mind, has suggested he pay her if he doesn't meet a weight-loss target @tomdalling: Thinks the weightloss strategy could work but the concept is frightening. (See: Loss aversion) @lachlanhardy: Finds the idea of paying for failing to turn in chapters of a thesis to be motivating

@tomdalling: Has trouble going to the gym now but used to find it easy when going with friends and not turning up would be letting people down @lachlanhardy: External accountability. It is also recommended that you do this with different people. For example, if you say to your partner "I'm going to go the gym 3 times a week" but then you go less than 3 times, they'll likely forgive you whereas a friend who is waiting for you at the gym might be less forgiving @elle: Or it could be an action like ordering a taxi @tomdalling: Often thinks extrinsic motivation is unnecessary and soon realises this is unfounded. First learnt about Systems 1 & 2 (automatic and reflective systems) in Stumbling on Happiness which says your brain is like someone riding an elephant. The elephant is emotional and doesn't want to be ridden and the other half of the brain is the rider trying to control the elephant. The rider needs to trick the elephant to do what they want @elle: Start small; be consistent

@lachlanhardy: Exhibits elements of mental accounting. When asked why he didn't buy something yesterday, he explained "I don't have any money" but this was because the money he had was "savings" and therefore untouchable

@tomdalling: Highlights the predatory nature of banks in charging high interest on credit cards in the knowledge that people have a disincentive to pay off the balance because then they'll spend the limit again

@antoinemacia: The fall of communism in the former Soviet bloc was a serious nudge "a bit more than an elbow" @lachlanhardy: Would there have been 1 billion people behind the Iron Curtain? Fact check: It was probably closer to 400 million which is still a substantial "nudge" @antoinemacia: This example makes it hard to pinpoint what a nudge is since, in this case, it isn't a campaign or marketing effort @tomdalling: One gripe along these lines is that they say nudging is Libertarian Paternalism which doesn't take away people's choices but also "this is the nudge that led to the rise of Hitler" @antoinemacia: During Soviet times, it could take a long time for views to spread but, with social media, these nudges could come about more easily @tomdalling: Instagram influencers can be worrying because it's easy to have an opinion and they are unregulated whereas at least there is some regulation on TV

@antoinemacia: The book discusses how government can use nudges to help causes like climate change. Are there examples that have affected people? @elle: Became more engaged in recycling and composting after moving and seeing how the community behaved @tomdalling: The Texas littering example was probably the most American thing ever. The people were littering to spite the Government and when the Government manipulated them into changing their behaviour, they were happy about it @tomdalling: Constantly falls for the way supermarkets are laid out where healthy items can be on the bottom shelf and less-healthy items at eye-level @lachlanhardy: This is why the milk is at the back of the store and they track your movement/flow throughout the store

@antoinemacia: What about nudges, or dark patterns, from our industry? @tomdalling: Entering a credit card to get a free trial because it's expected that you'll forget to cancel the trial

@antoinemacia: Is an exercise beast. @lachlanhardy, however, not so much