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Proposed solution for use case 927
Proposed Element Format: Numeric should be 0.00<=2.00 (2 decimal places, not 2 digits)
@gilbertcj6 @manndoris-CEPI See attached proposal with changes.
The IDS presently has this element set at DECIMAL(5,4) which means it can have up to 4 digits after the decimal. So it could be 1.2500. The attached proposal change is Numeric - up to 4 decimal places so that it matches the IDS currently.
With MI approval, CEDS will place in pending community approval. Increase_FTE_up_to2.OSC.Issue_927.Proposed.Solution 1.1.docx
Pretty confident that will work Jackie, but will wait for CJ to chime in on it when she gets back tomorrow.
Michigan definitely approves!
Thank you for giving me a chance to run it past our SMEs first. 🙂
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Pretty confident that will work Jackie, but will wait for CJ to chime in on it when she gets back tomorrow.
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The attached Increase_FTE_up_to2.OSC.Issue_927.Proposed.Solution 1.1.docx document is the proposed solution for this use case. As a community, please review. If no objections exist for the proposed solution, it will be approved as part of the CEDS standard 90 days following the announcement of this proposal as outlined in the OSC Use Case Rubrics/Process (The OSC Use Case Rubrics/Process can be found here: https://github.com/CEDStandards/CEDS-Elements/tree/master/doc).
Should we not be talking about a new data element for this purpose? The proposed use cases sound more like they would best be addressed with a new element such as 'Workload FTE' or 'Comparative FTE' that would not be restricted to values between 0.00 and 1.00 like a single assignment. This would avoid breaking changes anticipated in both up and downstream systems that rely on the value being currently restricted as is on a single assignment. Under the existing interpretation the total over all of an individual's assignments can still come out to be a value greater than 1.00, but a single assignment cannot by itself exceed the value 1.00. A new data element would also not necessarily need to be tied to an assignment, but could go wherever it needs to go (e.g. K12Staff -> Employment) to best fulfill the use case.
Thank you for raising this concern. Any breaking change requires thoughtful consideration.
This proposal corrects an assumption that was made during the original creation of this element -- that every state limits an assignment to a maximum of 1 FTE. This assumption is not true for Michigan. We do indeed have single assignments that exceed 1.00 FTE in our data collections -- these are not the sum of a variety of assignments but a single assignment where the person is working above one FTE for that assignment. Our proposed use case referenced a teaching example, but we also have this happening for a variety of other staffing positions including support staff, clerical, bus drivers, etc.
While the idea of a 'Workload FTE' is an interesting idea that merits consideration, it would have a different definition than just "FTE" -- it would be the sum of a person's FTEs across all their assignments. As such, it does not solve Michigan's use case because it would combine FTE's from vastly different assignments with vastly different reporting requirements (such as a Special Education Teacher who is also a coach in the evenings).
We need to be able to accurately record the FTE for a single assignment, even if that FTE is greater than one, so that we can accurate report that FTE to US ED.
Modifying this element to allow values greater than 1 does not compel other states to collect data great than 1. They are still free to put in place constraints in their data collection process that will prevent the submission of values greater than 1. In most cases, I would hope that those constraints would be already in place, but if they are not in place, this would be the advance notice that they need to be added to the relevant system or application.
If you believe this needs further discussion in a workgroup, please let us know.
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Author(s): CJ Gilbert; Kristy Webber
Authoring Organization(s): State of Michigan/CEPI
Email address: gilbertc6@michigan.gov
Use Case Title: Modify Staff FTE to go up to 2
Use Case Description Modify the existing Staff Full Time Equivalency element (https://ceds.ed.gov/element/000118) to allow values between 0 and 2, up to 2 digits.
Use Case Background
Staff Full Time Equivalency (Global ID 000118) currently has a numeric format between 0 and 1, up to 2 digits.
Michigan collect FTEs between 0 to 2.
For a variety of reasons, a staff member may have an assignment that is greater than a single FTE, and so we need this element to be modified to accommodate those use cases.
Location of Element in the Domain Entity Schema K12 -> K12 Staff -> Assignment