Closed jamesrhester closed 8 months ago
I think they hit all of my concerns.
Just as long as we can differentiate between structure, specimen, and crystal, as they are sometimes used as synonyms in CORE, but mean very different things in powder.
Just an observation, doesn't this new category supersede PD_PHASE
?
I'm going to say...that's up to us. Is there any sliver of light between "a component in a sample" and "a crystallographic structure?" I'm going to say yes, because there could be an amorphous phase. But it is certainly true that creating "_pd_phase.structure_id" would be a simple way of associating a structure with a phase.
When thinking about this proposal, we should also ponder how it relates to other descriptions of structure, e.g. modulated structures and magnetic structures. The magnetic structure dictionary adds to ATOM_SITE
, so under the present proposal the magnetic structure is included in the meaning of a structure. The modulated structure dictionary provides new categories describing Fourier components of modulation waves, which we essentially have to include as the magnetic dictionary uses them. So currently I'd be imagining us attaching a _structure.id
child data name to the ATOM_SITE_MOMENT_FOURIER
category and the analog from the modulated structures dictionary.
The modulated structure dictionary has the concept of "subsystems" for composite structures, which we'll need to study more closely to see how they interact with CELL
.
amorphous phase.
say no more: "_pd_phase.structure_id" it is.
From https://github.com/COMCIFS/cif_core/issues/442#issuecomment-1630720938
However, as I recall
_cell.diffrn_id
was mainly used to describe experiments in which the cell was measured under a different set of conditions than the atomic coordinates (see thecell-measurement-multi-block.cif
andcell-measurement-single-block.cif
files underexamples/
). How would this be represented under the_structure.id
model?
Good point. _cell.diffrn_id
refers to the diffraction conditions used to measure the cell. _cell.structure_id
points to a structure, which points to a _diffrn.id
that is associated with the structure. These two _diffrn.id
pointers should be the same, but as we discussed before, that was not necessarily the case historically.
Therefore, _cell.diffrn_id
should stay, but is not the key data name any more, replaced by _cell.structure_id
. My mistake for suggesting it should go.
Please see discussion at https://github.com/COMCIFS/cif_core/pull/445#issue-1796323136 for background.
Original approach:
All categories describing the space group are assigned a
_space_group.id
key data name or pointer. This makes explicit the fact that they all relate to the same space group._diffrn.id
) that it relates to.The ATOM_SITE and CELL categories now include a key data name pointer to
_structure.id
, identifying which structure and experimental conditions an atom or cell relates to.More controversially,
_cell.diffrn_id
has been replaced by_structure.diffrn_id
. To strictly follow our rules, it should be deprecated, but it is unlikely to have been used since the release.If @vaitkus and @rowlesmr could confirm that the above discussion satisfied their objections, I will recreate the pull request.