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Use of "specimen", "sample", and "material" in definitions of `PD_CHAR`, `PD_PREP`, and `PD_SPEC`. #84

Closed rowlesmr closed 1 year ago

rowlesmr commented 1 year ago

PD_CHAR is described as

This section contains experimental (non-diffraction) information relevant to the chemical and physical nature of the material.

PD_PREP is described as

This section contains descriptive information about how the sample was prepared.

PD_SPEC is described as

This section contains information about the specimen used for measurement of the diffraction data set. Note that information about the sample (the batch of material from which the specimen was obtained) is specified in PD_PREP.

and then throughout the descriptions of their data items, "specimen", "sample", and "material" are used in various ways.

To my mind, "material" and "sample" could be viewed as synonymous, or more strictly, the "material" can be split into several "samples". "Specimen" is the thing you put in the instrument; you take a "sample" (or a portion of one), and mount it in some way and put it in the beam.

From what I gather:

Does this sound right?

briantoby commented 1 year ago

I would say that a material would be pretty generic, say anything we might label as BaTiO3, a sample might be a specific batch of that (which might have some interstitials etc.) and a specimen would be a small amount of that sample, say a capillary or single crystal, that one sticks into an instrument.

On Jan 12, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Matthew Rowles @.**@.>> wrote:

PD_CHAR is described as

This section contains experimental (non-diffraction) information relevant to the chemical and physical nature of the material.

PD_PREP is described as

This section contains descriptive information about how the sample was prepared.

PD_SPEC is described as

This section contains information about the specimen used for measurement of the diffraction data set. Note that information about the sample (the batch of material from which the specimen was obtained) is specified in PD_PREP.

and then throughout the descriptions of their data items, "specimen", "sample", and "material" are used in various ways.

To my mind, "material" and "sample" could be viewed as synonymous, or more strictly, the "material" can be split into several "samples". "Specimen" is the thing you put in the instrument; you take a "sample" (or a portion of one), and mount it in some way and put it in the beam.

From what I gather:

Does this sound right?

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jamesrhester commented 1 year ago

I agree with @briantoby . We should simply make sure we are consistent with this terminology.

rowlesmr commented 1 year ago

I'll have another read through and make sure I'm reading it correctly, and that the various usages are consistent.