Heads inoperative in aft port cabin -- DO NOT USE

smr547 commented 3 years ago

There is a crack in the holding tank and it leaks raw sewage to the bilge. Pittwater Marine are investigating a repair. Do not use the aft port cabin heads until further notice.

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Just spoke to Steve Vicini. He has been on the boat and inspected the problem (he also talked to Peter Wain while on board). His preferred approach is to contact Bavaria in Brisbane to try to source a replacement tank. He will get back to us soon

We discussed the possibility of removing the tank and fitting a "flanged skin fitting" (bronze) to the tank. He said this kind of repair was possible but he could not guarantee its longevity as the skin fittings are not designed to work with plastic.

We await his advice.

@delcosta, @peterottesen and Peter Wain will be interested.

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Forwarding complete email history of this problem to the GitHub issue

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Steven Ring @.> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 10:04 Subject: Re: Namadgi 3 holding tank To: Steve Vicini @.> Cc: Sam DeLorenzo @.>, Peter Wain @.>

Hi Steve,

Just a further update. Peter Wain will be on the boat today and possibly be around for the next two days. He will have a chat to you about the holding tank and give you access. Please call me if you need access in the meantime, I can give you the code for the lock.

kind regards Steven

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 09:47, Steven Ring @.***> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the update. The boat should be returning to C18 today and is available for work until Friday evening.

It would be great if you could remove the tank so it can be repaired or we await a replacement. Will take your advice on that.

Please let me know if there is a problem with this timing.

kind regards Steven

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 19:20, Steve Vicini @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven

Sorry mate didn’t have a chance to get near this week with trying to get everything finished for Easter weekend.

Will see what I can sort out next week. Thanks for sending over the boat details.

Regards

Steve Vicini

Steve Vicini

Pittwater Marine & Slipway Services

T: 02 9997 2411

F: 02 9979 7479

*E: @.***

W: www.pittwatermarine.com.au http://www.pittwatermarine.com.au

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2021 11:07 AM To: Steve Vicini @.>; Sam DeLorenzo < @.**> Subject:* Re: Namadgi 3 holding tank

Hi Steve,

Just wondering if you had a chance to look at Namadgi 3's holding tank? We are keen to finalise our plan of attack.

Namadgi will be out of the Marina from this evening and not back until next Tuesday. Then she is off to Queensland starting 17 April. It seems that we only have a narrow window to get this work done -- basically Wed thru Friday of next week.

Please advise what's possible.

kind regards

Steven

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 12:03, Steven Ring @.***> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for seeing me this morning concerning our leaking tank.

Namadgi 3

Bavaria Cruiser 46

Manufactured 2017

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717

The sewage holding tank in the aft port heads is leaking from the join between the pump out hose and the tank itself. It looks like the tank has split at the joint -- probably due to the stress from the pump out hose.

Tank part number: 439453 (70L tank)

Current replacement part we believe is 453009 (this should be confirmed)

Could you please take a look and assess the job. Potentially, the tank could be removed and the polyethylene fitting cut away and a new brass flitting (with flange) installed. Failing that, maybe a new tank?

Photos and drawings attached.

Please contact Sam DeLorenzo (m: 0411 165 835), our club's maintenance manager, for approvals and directions.

kind regards

Steven

m: 0417 495 268

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Steven Ring @.> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 18:12 Subject: Fwd: Namadgi 3 holding tank To: Steven Ring @.>

Marked on our tank Bavaria 439453 --- website says 453009

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Steven Ring @.> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 12:52 Subject: Re: Namadgi 3 holding tank To: garth.brice @.> Cc: Sam Delorenzo (Delorco) @.>, < @.>, Peter Ottesen @.>, < @.>

Hi Garth,

Thank you.

I've included an image of the leaking tank and the puddle of poo in the bilge. The fracture is at the base of the tank just above the clamp on the hose on the left.

The left hose attaches to the deck fitting for pump out. The right hand hose goes directly to the sea cock. The hoses are of a high quality as are the stainless steel clamps

Unfortunately, the pump-out hose has been installed with a very tight bend which obviously puts a strong anti-clockwise turning moment on the tank protrusion where the hose is fitted. Once filled with fluid the tank has a mass of about 60kg so it is pretty immovable. Any vibration in the hose is going to put strong shearing forces on the aft side of the plastic tank connection.

Thus we have a tear that will be difficult to repair. I suspect it will require a new tank.

Your suggestion of a pair of right angle fittings is a good one. Although it means more connections (and more potential for leaks) it would avoid the problem of another tear -- something which is certain to happen again. As for the other thanks, the forward tank has a very generous loop in the pump out hose and appears to be placing only light pressure on the fitting. The starboard tank is similar to the port tank and may fail in the future if nothing is done. Perhaps replacing the hose with a longer hose (with a more generous bend) would be effective -- but space may be an issue.

It's interesting to note that the loop in the pump out hose produces a "s-bend-style" trap for effluent under the tank which will NOT discharge to sea. Based on this observation, I've decided to always flush a bucket or two of seawater down the pump-out deck fitting every time after I've discharged to sea. This ensures a relatively clean tank between skippers (really good if the tank needs to be worked on). It's something I'd recommend to other skippers.

Thanks again for your suggestion.

kind regards

Steven

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 12:07, garth.brice @.***> wrote:

Steven

Great work in finding the problem and working out what may have caused it

Would a right angle joint at the bottom of the tank take the pressure off the tank fitting?

If so do we need to do the same on the other two tanks before they fracture?

Kind Regards

Garth

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Mar 2021, at 21:56, Sam Delorenzo (Delorco) < @.***> wrote:

Steve

Thanks for the heads up on the forward and aft tanks. The Port crack is a worry and we will need to jump on this quickly

Regards,

Sam DeLorenzo

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From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2021 8:39 PM To: Sam Delorenzo (Delorco) @.> Cc: Peter Ottesen @.>; garth.brice < @.> Subject: Fwd: namadgi 3 holding tank

Hi Sam,

We flushed all tanks today outside the Barrenjoey light.

First the good news. The forward heads flushed to sea without any hesitation or problem.

Now the bad news regarding the port aft cabin heads. There is a crack in the base of the plastic holding tank where the pump-out pipe that joins the body of the tank. It seems the tigh bend in the pump out pipe has place substantial sideways force on the fitting and, with motion of the boat over time, the plastic has parted. The leak is slow but steady. Sending about 1 lt of waste into the bilge per hour. The smell is aweful and hazardous.

We will label the toilet as "Do not use" until a repair is done. I think it is a specialist job and would not be surprised if a new tank is required -- we will talk with Peter at the Marina tomorrow to see if he can suggest a repairer.

I've attached a diagram of the plumbing and indicated the location of the crack.

We'll remove the pump out pipe tomorrow to confirm the problem.

kind regards

Steven

Sent from my iPhone

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<namadgi 3 holding tank.pdf>

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Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

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Steven Ring

Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

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Steven Ring

Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

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Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

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smr547 commented 3 years ago

There is a crack in the tank/hose joint in the top left corner of the attached image resulting in raw sewage seeping into the bilge compartment below the floor at the bottom of the companionway. Notice that the pump out waste hose has a very tight curve which places stress on the joint.

crack in tank Poo in bilge

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Received a call from Steve Vincini. He reports:

Several months to get a tank from Europe at high cost
Recommends taking tank out for closer assessment
Renco in Marrickville or Atlas in Qld can remake a tank based on old unit design -- he will get a quote from Renco
In the interim he will re-plumb so it pumps directly to sea

Go ahead given to Steve to proceed. He will try to get the tank out prior to Peter Wains booking or before departure to the Port Stephens Race week.

@delcosta and @peterottesen will be interested

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Called Andy from Bavaria on 1300609900 -- he later texted me from his mobile: 0413095760

He recommends the removal of the tank to assess options:

plastic welding of new panel with fitting, or
insertion of bronze fitting, or
construction of new tank to same dimensions (a company in Brookvale can do the job)

According to Andy, each of these options is cheaper and quicker than importing a new tank. Andy had communicated this info to Steve Vincini, our shipwright in Sydney. Andy didn't think that Steve was keen to do the job.

Importing of a new tank can be organised by Trent on 0413095760

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Called Trent trent.s@ensignyachts.com.au re replacement. He requested HIN and he will prepare a quote.

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hello,

I would like to request a price quote for a Bavaria 70L holding tank detailed here https://www.svb24.com/en/bavaria-holding-tanks.html

Could you please provide a price including express freight delivery to

Sydney, Australia

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: +61 417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Sam,

Peter Lucy doesn't have time to remove the tank. He is of the view that we should import a new tank ASAP. Andy from Ensign steered us away from this option however I'm getting some pricing/timing on this for committee consideration.

I'm optimistic that the tank can be repaired or remanufactured in OZ. I'll get in touch with Steve Vicini to see if he can do the removal on Monday 3/5 -- if he is not interested/available we may have to do it ourselves during that week and drive the process from there.

kind regards Steven

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smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Steve,

The crew let me know that you were not able to remove the tank before Namadgi left for Port Stephens. Do you think you will have time during the week beginning 3 May? Namadgi will be at Holme Port during that week and we would like to

Remove the tank for assessment
Repair and replace if possible
Get quote for remanufacture
Re-plumb direct to sea

Could you please let me know if you can do this work during the period 3-7 May. We will have a maintenance team on the boat at the time to help with the work if necessary. It's vital that we have the heads operational before we leave for Queensland the following week.

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

PSARN commented 3 years ago

Copy of holding ![Uploading 80C84F1E-1048-4D8D-8E38-7819B9272D09.jpeg…]() tank embossed Baveria details

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Steven,

I couldn’t find this item listed on Bavaria’s spare parts system so I’m just starting a ticket with the shipyard now, requesting price & availability.

I’ll let you know as soon as I hear back from them. Hopefully will have an answer for you by tomorrow. Although it might take a bit longer for them to get back to me with a shipping quote.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.>; Peter Lucey @.>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping (15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.>; Peter Lucey @.>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping

(15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

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*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.>; Peter Lucey < @.>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717

Manufactured 217,

Bavaia Cruiser 46

Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards

Steven

--

Steven Ring

m: 0417 495 268

-- Steven Ring Software Engineer BSc MIT (ANU) m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Steven,

They just came back to me on this. Apparently the new replacement is exactly the same as the old one and the part number only changed just for logistical reasons…

Shipping quote is $390.00

So the total cost for this part would be $875.00

They said ETA is difficult. As we’ve noticed with the last few orders, it could take a few weeks or several months. Hard to tell as Covid has really messed up International delivery times.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Friday, 23 April 2021 3:53 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>> wrote: Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping (15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.**@.>> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>>; Peter Lucey @.**@.>>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.**@.>> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

Steven Ring Software Engineer BSc MIT (ANU) m: 0417 495 268

PSARN commented 3 years ago

Steven, I have thought about the brass fitting solution, however noted all toilet fittings are plastic. Using a metal fitting would be a short term solution, due to potential corrosion problems.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Apr 2021, at 17:37, Steven Ring @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

They just came back to me on this. Apparently the new replacement is exactly the same as the old one and the part number only changed just for logistical reasons…

Shipping quote is $390.00

So the total cost for this part would be $875.00

They said ETA is difficult. As we’ve noticed with the last few orders, it could take a few weeks or several months. Hard to tell as Covid has really messed up International delivery times.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Friday, 23 April 2021 3:53 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>> wrote: Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping (15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.**@.>> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>>; Peter Lucey @.**@.>>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.**@.>> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

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smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Peter,

Steve, the shipwright from Pittwater Marine has recommended the use of bronze rather than brass. He is suggesting a bronze "skin fitting" as the appropriate connector. In theory, so long as there is no mechanical connection with a dissimilar metal then no galvanic corrosion is possible. The bronze fitting should last a very long time.

We suspect the new model tank from Bavaria uses exactly this approach.

regards Steven

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Trent,

Thank you for all of this information. And thank you for dealing so promptly with my request -- very impressive indeed!!

Is there a public web page where I can view the new model tank?

Meanwhile I'll discuss our options with my club's committee and get back to you.

kind regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 17:36, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

They just came back to me on this. Apparently the new replacement is exactly the same as the old one and the part number only changed just for logistical reasons…

Shipping quote is $390.00

So the total cost for this part would be $875.00

They said ETA is difficult. As we’ve noticed with the last few orders, it could take a few weeks or several months. Hard to tell as Covid has really messed up International delivery times.

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

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*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Friday, 23 April 2021 3:53 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards

Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping

(15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

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*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.>; Peter Lucey < @.>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717

Manufactured 217,

Bavaia Cruiser 46

Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards

Steven

--

Steven Ring

m: 0417 495 268

--

Steven Ring

Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

-- Steven Ring Software Engineer BSc MIT (ANU) m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Steve and Peter (Pittwater Marine) are working on the tank right now. They report:

Confirmed that they have found the crack as reported
Original installation of tank is very poor
Foam supports have failed
No mechanical support provided at tank mounting tabs
Full tank is being supported only by pipework
cabinetry has been glued in AFTER installation of the tank

They proposed:

some surgical cuts in cabinetry to get tank out
new cleats will be made to make-good the cuts
cleats will also provide mechanical support to tank mounting tabs
investigate plastic welding of what looks to be only a small crack in tank -- repair as necessary

They assure me that the final result will be sound and cosmetically pleasing. I've given them the go-ahead as there appear to be no other option.

@delcosta and @PSARN will be interested

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Hi Steven,

Attached is a drawing of the tank, with measurements.

They said the fittings are all made of plastic (not bronze, as you suggested might be the case in a previous email).

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2021 6:13 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thank you for all of this information. And thank you for dealing so promptly with my request -- very impressive indeed!!

Is there a public web page where I can view the new model tank?

Meanwhile I'll discuss our options with my club's committee and get back to you.

kind regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 17:36, Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>> wrote: Hi Steven,

They just came back to me on this. Apparently the new replacement is exactly the same as the old one and the part number only changed just for logistical reasons…

Shipping quote is $390.00

So the total cost for this part would be $875.00

They said ETA is difficult. As we’ve noticed with the last few orders, it could take a few weeks or several months. Hard to tell as Covid has really messed up International delivery times.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.**@.>> Sent: Friday, 23 April 2021 3:53 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.**@.>>; Peter Lucey @.**@.>> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>> wrote: Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping (15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

[9D4A52B3]

Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.**@.>> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.**@.>>; Peter Lucey @.**@.>>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.**@.>> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717 Manufactured 217, Bavaia Cruiser 46 Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards Steven

-- Steven Ring m: 0417 495 268

Steven Ring Software Engineer BSc MIT (ANU) m: 0417 495 268

-- Steven Ring Software Engineer BSc MIT (ANU) m: 0417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Thanks Trent,

That is great info.

The existing tank is being pulled out and we are waiting for an assessment from the shipwright. I'll get back to you.

kind regards Steven

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 10:22, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

Attached is a drawing of the tank, with measurements.

They said the fittings are all made of plastic (not bronze, as you suggested might be the case in a previous email).

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

[image: 9D4A52B3]

*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2021 6:13 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thank you for all of this information. And thank you for dealing so promptly with my request -- very impressive indeed!!

Is there a public web page where I can view the new model tank?

Meanwhile I'll discuss our options with my club's committee and get back to you.

kind regards

Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 17:36, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

They just came back to me on this. Apparently the new replacement is exactly the same as the old one and the part number only changed just for logistical reasons…

Shipping quote is $390.00

So the total cost for this part would be $875.00

They said ETA is difficult. As we’ve noticed with the last few orders, it could take a few weeks or several months. Hard to tell as Covid has really messed up International delivery times.

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

[image: 9D4A52B3]

*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Friday, 23 April 2021 3:53 PM To: Trent Strochnetter @.> Cc: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.>; Peter Lucey @.> Subject: Re: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Thanks Trent,

I think the new model has bronze fittings to address exactly the problem we are having. Please stay on them we are keen to get an accurate landed cost and timeframe

Regards

Steven

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 1:29 pm, Trent Strochnetter < @.***> wrote:

Hi Steven,

Turns out that particular holding tank is no longer available – It’s been replaced by a newer one which they use on the current models.

451825 - Waste Tank 70L 2" assem. = $485.00 + Shipping

(15 x in stock)

I asked if it’s a direct replacement for the old one(with no modifications or extra parts required to make it fit your yacht). I’m fairly sure it does use the same sender and will be the same size / have the same mounting points, etc.

I’ve also asked for a shipping quote and timeframe for delivery.

I’ll let you know when I hear back on that. Although I might not have an answer back until next week as apparently it’s sometimes difficult for them to get shipping quotes for us recently.

Kind regards,

Trent Strochnetter Website Administrator | Ensign Yachts Group M: +61 413 095 760 | 1300 609 900 Sydney | Gold Coast | Melbourne | Sunshine Coast | Fremantle

www.ensignyachts.com.au | www.bavaria-australia.com.au | About Me & Our Crew https://ensignbrokers.com.au/crew/

[image: 9D4A52B3]

*Australia’s largest brokerage & exclusive dealer of a selection of premier yacht brands *including Bavaria Yachts (Power & Sail), Nautitech Catamarans, Rhea Marine, Italia Yachts and HeySea

From: Steven Ring @.> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:43 AM To: Trent Strochnetter @.>; Peter Lucey < @.>; CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 < @.> Subject: Replacement holding tank for Cruiser 46

Hi Trent,

Thanks for taking my call. Please give us a price and timing to import a replacement 70L holding tank for Namadg 3. Our vessel details are:

HIN: DEBAVL46N1B717

Manufactured 217,

Bavaia Cruiser 46

Capacity: 70L

Holding tank has the following branding: Bavaria 439453

kind regards

Steven

--

Steven Ring

m: 0417 495 268

--

Steven Ring

Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

--

Steven Ring

Software Engineer

BSc MIT (ANU)

m: 0417 495 268

-- Steven Ring m: +61 417 495 268

smr547 commented 3 years ago

tank Here is the tank drawing sent by Trent

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Reopening -- closed by mistake

smr547 commented 3 years ago

Pittwater Marine and Slipway Services have done a fabulous job of repairing the tank using the "plastic welding" technique. See photo. Peter the shipwright did a great job of extracting the tank and reinstalling, despite the fact that the tank was "built in" behind the cabinetry.

Closing this issue. @PSARN, @peterottesen and @delcosta will be interested. Removing from "Notice to Skippers"

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