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Water leak near hot water unit -- system depressurised #522

Closed smr547 closed 10 months ago

smr547 commented 2 years ago

Persistent spray from inlet pipe. This may explain the periodic unexpected operation of the cold water pressure pump. IMG-0145 IMG-0144

smr547 commented 1 year ago

This problem has not been observed in several months. We will leave the issue open for regular checking.

pcbaston commented 1 year ago

Close issue. Regular checking is routine maintenance. Whilst onboard for NZ3, I only heard the water pump come on once per night, most nights (no-one was using water), so I think this is acceptable. During the day, when water is being used and pump pressurises system, there are no leaks therefore no need for pump to turn on.

pcbaston commented 1 year ago

Piping repaired/replaced. Refer Issue #680 for more details. Issue CLOSED.

smr547 commented 10 months ago

Hi @pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 #522 #426 #583 #748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

pcbaston commented 10 months ago

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part: https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @.***> wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680 #522 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522 #426 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426 #583 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583 #748 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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pjwain commented 10 months ago

I had a closer look this afternoon and the leak appears to be in the short pipe itself, about half way along its length, not at the connector. Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 5:16 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part: https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @.***> wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680 #522 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522 #426 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426 #583 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583 #748 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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allister-polkinghorne commented 10 months ago

There is spare pipe, a cutter and fittings on board to fix the pipe. Spare pipe comes in two colours that I think Paul procured previously. Gear is located in fwd port cabin under the seat.

From: pjwain @.> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2024 6:33 PM To: CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3 @.> Cc: allister-polkinghorne @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3] Water leak near hot water unit -- system depressurised (Issue #522)

I had a closer look this afternoon and the leak appears to be in the short pipe itself, about half way along its length, not at the connector. Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 5:16 pm Paul Baston, @. <mailto:@.> > wrote:

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part: https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @. <mailto:@.> > wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680 #522 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522 #426 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426 #583 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583 #748 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

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@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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pcbaston commented 10 months ago

Peter, that's an easy fix. Well done in locating the source

There is spare pipe onboard. Can't recall where.

The connectors let go if you push in the pipe and hold the centre ring. Installation is just push in. Same as the 8mm connectors for water filters if you ever had one.

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 18:33 pjwain, @.***> wrote:

I had a closer look this afternoon and the leak appears to be in the short pipe itself, about half way along its length, not at the connector. Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 5:16 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part: https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @.***> wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680 #522 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522 #426 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426 #583 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583 #748 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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pjwain commented 10 months ago

Thank you Paul. We found the spare pipe and cutter, and managed to separate the damaged pipe from the plug connector, but the T-junction connector was stuck fast, so I'll leave it for you to work on tomorrow. Regards, Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 7:58 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Peter, that's an easy fix. Well done in locating the source

There is spare pipe onboard. Can't recall where.

The connectors let go if you push in the pipe and hold the centre ring. Installation is just push in. Same as the 8mm connectors for water filters if you ever had one.

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 18:33 pjwain, @.***> wrote:

I had a closer look this afternoon and the leak appears to be in the short pipe itself, about half way along its length, not at the connector. Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 5:16 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part:

https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @.***> wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680

522

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522

426

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426

583

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583

748

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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pcbaston commented 10 months ago

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Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 21:44 pjwain, @.***> wrote:

Thank you Paul. We found the spare pipe and cutter, and managed to separate the damaged pipe from the plug connector, but the T-junction connector was stuck fast, so I'll leave it for you to work on tomorrow. Regards, Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 7:58 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Peter, that's an easy fix. Well done in locating the source

There is spare pipe onboard. Can't recall where.

The connectors let go if you push in the pipe and hold the centre ring. Installation is just push in. Same as the 8mm connectors for water filters if you ever had one.

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 18:33 pjwain, @.***> wrote:

I had a closer look this afternoon and the leak appears to be in the short pipe itself, about half way along its length, not at the connector. Peter W.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 5:16 pm Paul Baston, @.***> wrote:

Interesting that the drain hose fitting is really the only problem child. Perhaps it's the fitting or seal that needs replacing. 15mm diam from memory, unlike RV stuff that's only 10mm. Found a shop in QBYN that only sells online, but offers pickup previously for spare pipe I took to NZ. Might be worth a look.

Here's the link to part:

https://www.caravansplus.com.au/jg-tee-15mm-push-on-fitting-p-5416.html $12. I thought I also bought the cheap cutter previously to avoid frayed edges that lead to leaks.....

Paul Baston

On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, 14:27 Steven Ring, @.***> wrote:

Hi @pcbaston https://github.com/pcbaston

Unfortunately this problem has happened again to @pjwain https://github.com/pjwain. Just yesterday water water was found spraying from a leak near the hot water system and, once again, there has been minor flooding of fresh water into under floor compartments. The pressurised water system is now out of actions.

In previous posts @delcosta https://github.com/delcosta and yourself have suggested ways of fixing the problem including re-plumbing the system, keeping lines long, fixing pipes to bulkhead to ensure that they do not vibrate and are maintained in proper alignment with the fitting.

In recent weeks @allister-polkinghorne https://github.com/allister-polkinghorne has had to fix an leak in the same area and has recent relevant experience. Once again by trimming the split end and refitting. Yesterdays fault appeared to be the short, blind, blue drain hose which is now only 100mm long. This was the same pipe that leaked for Allister.

Could we all please workshop a permanent solution to this problem? Chris Smith, our new found plumber, is on standby to work on this problem in the week after Australia Day if we don't fix it in the meantime. If we do proceed with Chris, he will need instructions. @SamMcDonald2538 https://github.com/SamMcDonald2538 knows an excellent plumber who might be able to help us while the boat is in Bateman's bay.

noting that issues #680 https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/680

522

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/522

426

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/426

583

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/583

748

https://github.com/CanberraOceanRacingClub/namadgi3/issues/748 are records of this problem repeating itself. All these issues have relevant and productive comments.

Making this priority 1 as it is damaging the boat and spoiling peoples time on it.

@CORCpete https://github.com/CORCpete will be interested not only because he has an upcoming booking.

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pcbaston commented 10 months ago

Problem fixed. Several attempts at repair resulted in a very short tube, which split during Peter Wain's booking Compression supports were inserted into old 2' length and reinserted. After a couple of attempts, the connector sealed and leaks were no longer present. A day so far with no leakage. Issue CLOSED.

smr547 commented 10 months ago

Nice work Paul!