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v́:hla not v̀:hla #5

Open michael-conrad opened 2 years ago

michael-conrad commented 2 years ago 
5. VHLA - On the audio, this sounds like it’s stepping up in tone. Like maybe something like “quick2-quick32’. Definitely going uphill. But doesn’t both “no” and “not” have a different downhill tone? I hear “vhla” as a ‘long4-quick2’. For reference, listen to Ed say it multiple times in this video from about 34:42 to 35:57. https://youtu.be/RikNifUTETQ Also, the one at 10:20 sounds to me like “ahla”, like it’s saying something’s laying there, not “vhla” / “no”.

Ok, that is probably me hearing v̀:hla (low-fall) and not v́:hla (high) resulting in a bad transcription. I'll generate and share a new audio sample with the v́:hla and we can see how that sounds.

Originally posted by @michael-conrad in https://github.com/CherokeeLanguage/Cherokee-Language-Lessons-1/issues/4#issuecomment-1226799510

michael-conrad commented 2 years ago

Here are the revised audio files for review. vhla-2022-08-25-00.zip

FeralMina commented 2 years ago

Reveiwed. The shape of the sounds is more correct. The first file (the one ending in 13e3, I think) still sounds like “ahla” to me, though.

The tones of “yigi” are nagging at me. I’ll chew on that more.

Also, I should say, I have no idea if the pronunciation of hlahv, tlahv, etc. is correct or not, as I have never heard these words aloud.

michael-conrad commented 2 years ago

Yeah the ᏝᎲ form is from Beginning Cherokee.

FeralMina commented 2 years ago

Yeah the ᏝᎲ form is from Beginning Cherokee.

Neato! I don’t have that one, but it’s on my list. :) How are the tone markings written for hlahv and tlahv in that book?

michael-conrad commented 2 years ago

The Beginning Cherokee book doesn't use tone markings. And I'm suspicious of the vowel length marks for some of the words.

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Yeah the ᏝᎲ form is from Beginning Cherokee.

Neato! I don’t have that one, but it’s on my list. :) How are the tone markings written for hlahv and tlahv in that book?

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FeralMina commented 2 years ago

The Beginning Cherokee book doesn't use tone markings. And I'm suspicious of the vowel length marks for some of the words. …

I’m confused. Where did you get the tones markings for hlahv and tlahv to put into the system? I’ve never heard them out loud and I’ve never seen tone markings, so I don’t know how they should sound.

FeralMina commented 2 years ago

Do the tone markings for “vhla” and “vtla” need to be changed in Chapter 4?

michael-conrad commented 2 years ago

They were based on what I thought I heard from the bc audio. I'll need to find that clip and post it here.

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I’m confused. Where did you get the tones markings for hlahv and tlahv to put into the system? I’ve never heard them out loud and I’ve never seen tone markings, so I don’t know how they should sound.

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