Make instances feel diffrent

[Openmedianetwork]

Using simple view counts over time across an instance will bring the same content to the top on every instance - we already have a VERY bad spam problem due to the backend tools. Let's come up with creative ideas for mediating this.

Issue: currently local content loses out to popular external content in the most liked and trending.

Solution: add a UI or plugin admin tick option to give this a say 50% boost in likes/views when calculating display order so that it more easily pushes up into the federated popular content on a local instance

Outcome: this will add local "flaver" to instances they often lack, due to being swamped by generic content from across the network.

Have this as a UI option or plugin.

[test2a]

What you are describing is what Reddit mods used to do. I used to read how they could rebalance or whatever. Dunno what tangible affect will they have because you are intentionally gaming users into interaction

[test2a]

https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13862042/reddit-upvote-downvote-scoring-system-recalculation

Read up on this.

[Chocobozzz]

Hello,

we already have a VERY bad spam problem due to the backend tools

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure to understand what it means.

[Openmedianetwork]

As lots of people talk about peertube instances have very bad spam problems in video content flows. The implementation has suffered from the #geekproblem in that they have a #closed mod workflow rather than a #open trust based workflow. This is a normal issue and a clear #block on the rollout of #openweb projects.

http://hamishcampbell.com/index.php/2020/12/25/human-tech-omn/

[Openmedianetwork]

https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/6/13862042/reddit-upvote-downvote-scoring-system-recalculation

Read up on this.

What am suggesting is different to this, not adjusting the votes or view counts, simply Appling a mod option to make local content show up with popular external content to make different instances feel individual rather than them all looking the same, with the same content displayed in popular and liked views - if you are worried about the wording then change it to "on this instance" if the mod is applied. have this as a UI or a plugin option.

[test2a]

There is a tab called "local" that only shows local content. Wouldnt that solve your issue?

Edit: if you are an instance admin, you can remove remote instances whose videos you dont want in your local instance.

[Openmedianetwork]

yep... am looking at trending and liked as when I do a promo/outreach post I trend to put out trending as it give a interesting dynamic view of the instance - the problem as I outline above is that the local content is pushed off the bottom by the more "general" popular content across the networks so my instance instead of having its own personality is just like every other instance - it's a clear failing, looking for ideas to mediate this to add value to subject based instances like http://visionon.tv

More ideas please :)

[geopayme]

As lots of people talk about peertube instances have very bad spam problems in video content flows. The implementation has suffered from the #geekproblem in that they have a #closed mod workflow rather than a #open trust based workflow. This is a normal issue and a clear #block on the rollout of #openweb projects.

http://hamishcampbell.com/index.php/2020/12/25/human-tech-omn/

the issue is that instance administrators do not take the time to manage their instances! I run 8 PeerTube instances and to this point there is 0% spam, because I clear out all the bad actors. SO rather then see someone create restrictions its better to have a better education on how to manage a peertube instance.

[Openmedianetwork]

@geopayme which ones do you run :)

These two views are not incompatible - I recently talked at two conferences, #APCONF and #RC3 and the SPAM problem was brought up at each talk/workshop as questions about #peertube

[geopayme]

It is better to see the whole project here and the associated peertube instances

'The Fediverse Space' Github Project

[geopayme]

@geopayme which ones do you run :)

These two views are not incompatible - I recently talked at two conferences, #APCONF and #RC3 and the SPAM problem was brought up at each talk/workshop as questions about #peertube

Like I mentioned.. if you organize your material and federated instances (select and review what the instance promotes) then you can have information closer to your instance content and #hashtags!

[Chocobozzz]

Hello,

You can create a plugin to experiment your idea. But it's not something we would like to implement in core peertube for now.

[Openmedianetwork]

@geopayme which ones do you run :)

These two views are not incompatible - I recently talked at two conferences, #APCONF and #RC3 and the SPAM problem was brought up at each talk/workshop as questions about #peertube

Hello,

You can create a plugin to experiment your idea. But it's not something we would like to implement in core peertube for now.

will see if I can find somebody to do a plugin... at the moment any instance that covered grassroots radical media will look and feel the same with very simuler trending/liked videos - this reduces the value of the network.