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Use wikidata id to represent tags #352

Open conferences-gesticulees opened 6 years ago

conferences-gesticulees commented 6 years ago

Tags will only be useful if videos about the same topic all use the same tag. It would be good to be able to list all tags and to be able to delete or “rename” a tag.

There is currently no way to browse tags. Changing a tag in multiple videos requires to visit the metadata page for each video, which can be pretty tedious.

maxlath commented 6 years ago

Following up on the conversation with @Chocobozzz at the JDLL and on mastodon, here is how I think the task of deduplicating tags could be eased by the use of Wikidata items:

Each Wikidata item represents a concept: as a first approximation, 1 Wikipedia article => 1 Wikidata item. Example:

This means that you can search for any of those terms in any of those languages and be gently redirected to the uniquely identified concept:

This is thank to the fact that each of those items can have one main label and a series of aliases in each languages.

This disambiguation makes it a great base for a tagging system, the hard work of deduplicating concepts being done by the Wikidata community.

It also gives structured relationships between topics: see how Quora uses it

But building PeerTube tagging system on top of Wikidata would have another major virtue: it would link the tags to the Wikidata-aware web of data! We could for instance easily link to each others between PeerTube and Inventaire:

I would love to be able to suggest a list of videos on a given topic on those different Inventaire pages: if there was a way to query PeerTube instances APIs to aggregate such a list using Wikidata items ids, that would be crazily awesome :D

As a bonus (I don't see an application in PeerTube yet, but let's see), out of this possibility to link between systems using the Wikidata ids, Wikidata also provides you with identifiers in many databases: it can tell you that Q84 equivalent in OpenStreetMap is 65606 or 119861367 at BNF, etc. which allows to crosswalk from one identifier system to another:

As you can see, I'm quite enthusiastic about it, so feel free to ask for any further explanation ^^

Limits

The limit of this idea is that you depend on what is in Wikidata: for instance, you couldn't tag a video with a JDLL 2018 tag (there is JDLL (Q3187082) but not JDLL 2018) or a [insert your unknown association/school/new concept] tag (see Wikidata notability criteria). A suggestion to work around it: make the tag input autosuggest Wikidata items when typing, but if none is selected, still allow to create the tag: it will just be a plain string, not linked to anything but the other plain string tags.

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nicolasmaia commented 6 years ago

I second this, using Wikidata tags would greatly enrich the content metadata.

3risian commented 4 years ago

I think this is a great idea. If no progress has been made, I might try and prototype something like it.

How I am thinking of implementing this: (critique wanted)

The only side effect I can think of is that the WikiData aliases may change (I already found one that needs fixing!) which should eventually result in the wikidata_tags changing to match it. The server could be set to update wikidata tags weekly or monthly?

Poslovitch commented 3 years ago

The only side effect I can think of is that the WikiData aliases may change (I already found one that needs fixing!) which should eventually result in the wikidata_tags changing to match it. The server could be set to update wikidata tags weekly or monthly?

That's what I'd recommend doing. While most of the time the labels/aliases of the Wikidata items won't change much, there's always the possibility that someone adds a label for a language, or that they remove an alias that's actually not referring to the proper "concept".

Overall, I second this feature request. @maxlath explained in great length what possibilities it'd bring to make PeerTube "Wikidata-aware". And while they're talking of books, in my case I'm interested about the video games. I'd love to replicate those "cards" that YouTube puts in the description of the video games video that takes you to a YouTube Gaming "channel" of all the videos made on said game. But that would be the job of a plugin, right?

I'd love to work on that issue though. If I do, I'll link my branch to this issue so that if I give up, anyone could start back on what I'd have already created.

cscott commented 1 year ago

See also a discussion about/spec for wikidata tagging on mastodon at https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Mastodon_tags_with_QIDs