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City-of-Helsinki / kerrokantasi

Kerro kantasi participatory democracy backend
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Allow login with more secure platforms than Google and Facebook. #328

Open MDM63 opened 5 years ago

MDM63 commented 5 years ago

This is more of a feature request, but a real issue as well. I don't know who is the idiot that has made this decision in the first place, and we probably newer will. People of any power in Finland rarely have the courage and spine to stand up with their (bad) decisions and mistakes.

Anyway it's just stupid that there is no option to login and voice an opinion in the matters of city democracy if you don't have a social media account that leaks every bit of your privacy, especially when there is a more secure alternative in existence.

There is also a legal concern. How can a public entity force people to adopt a social media account from a private corporation, just to exercise their democratic right to voice their opinions and influence on decision-making, also by making the initiatives started whit out these social media accounts, non-public, one could justifiably argue that you deliberately put people in unequal position to influence the decision-making of the city.

Rikuoja commented 5 years ago

@MDM63 For this very reason, we provide the opportunity to

1) comment anonymously, i.e. without using any of the login methods provided, and 2) log in using the non-commercial YLE Tunnus (https://yle.fi/aihe/yle-tunnus) available for anybody.

Also YLE is bound by law to uphold the user's privacy.

Therefore, the facebook and google logins are more of a convenience feature for those users who wish to use those login methods instead of e.g. creating a YLE Tunnus. They are by no means mandatory.

However, I would be interested in knowing what is your suggestion of a more secure alternative? A non-commercial identity provider not affiliated with YLE, or something else altogether?

Rikuoja commented 5 years ago

For what it is worth, new identity providers can and most likely will be added to the City of Helsinki SSO (Tunnistamo), so if you have a preferred alternative in mind, please let us know.