Closed Lillyton closed 6 months ago
eltreum0
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6 months ago I should add to this that i've played as an engineer since cataclysm (in retail) and pretty much always had nitro boosts.
They never failed at around 50%, it was always a very low chance, id say the current chance is about correct
Lillyton
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6 months ago I should add to this that i've played as an engineer since cataclysm (in retail) and pretty much always had nitro boosts.
They never failed at around 50%, it was always a very low chance, id say the current chance is about correct
It was for sure quite high, it had people foaming at the mouth when they changed it. One people even had it fail 4 times in a row after the Cata change.
I'll make a list of sources about high failure chances.
eltreum0
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6 months ago The proc hasnt changed since cata, you can just login into retail and test. You can cause the leak multiple times in a row, but over hundreds of times the leak/damage chance will be quite low
Lillyton
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6 months ago Are you serious? Took me 2 mins to prove you wrong.
Oh didn't see that last comment. Mm, let me find more info from Cata time period.
eltreum0
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6 months ago Most of the comments you find will be from people having very bad luck, like i said you'd need to use it over 100 times to get better numbers, its just statistics.
Lillyton
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6 months ago https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/57903260
They mention it being able to fail in pvp battlegrounds.
eltreum0
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6 months ago I remember me dying to it at least once in SoO prog way back, but i dont really remember it failing after
As for bgs, i think bgs are treated differently and it can indeed fail there
Lillyton
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6 months ago Most of the comments you find will be from people having very bad luck, like i said you'd need to use it over 100 times to get better numbers, its just statistics.
True, but the chances of multiple failures in a row is still lower than the current chance. And that was happening to a lot of people.
Lillyton
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6 months ago
So maybe not 50-60, but more around 30-50?
I'll find more stuff tomorrow. Heading to bed soon.
eltreum0
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6 months ago Thing is that all those people are throwing wild numbers around, they need to supply data. Even myself i am just speaking from experience, i really very rarely get the debuff and i do use it quite often (pretty much all my characters have nitro boosts)
You will need to test this to confirm
Yotsutester
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6 months ago I spent the first 30 minutes of my morning afk inside Blackrock Caverns using rocket boost on CD. I had one fail.
Here's an imgur link with screenshots of buffs, timestamp, and character pane shown.
Lillyton
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6 months ago I spent the first 30 minutes of my morning afk inside Blackrock Caverns using rocket boost on CD. I had one fail.
Here's an imgur link with screenshots of buffs, timestamp, and character pane shown.
Thank you for testing. But could you try maybe a couple dozen more times? 10 isn't that high of a test sample, even if it was currently 50%. While you could get 1/9 with a coin flip, it would be more unlikely then if it was 5%.
Like Eltreum said, 100 would give better numbers. But don't want to take too much of your time.
Lillyton
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6 months ago Some of the info I've found. Found a bunch of people complaining about it. I've not found anyone who had done a big test so far, but it did seem to be higher than it might be at the moment.
Searched for Rocket fuel leak on mmo-champion
Some example comments being:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/798087-New-belt-quot-rocket-boots-quot-constantly-misfires/page2?highlight=rocket+fuel+leak
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/894508-Engineering-4-1-Nerf-(again)?highlight=rocket+fuel+leak
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/946456-Things-that-always-seem-to-happen-to-you?highlight=rocket+fuel+leak
ssabbyccatt
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6 months ago Some of the ferals did some data collection on this. It looks like in instances, it's somewhere between 6-10% fail rate.
test 1- https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170121940778889330/1230970332400189490/image.png?ex=66354175&is=6622cc75&hm=9e11f1df052ecf8f371ee8b2f22ce8d808af8bd608d1fa42620edcd045d05b7a& test 2 - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170121940778889330/1230970518795190372/image.png?ex=663541a2&is=6622cca2&hm=220374205c2f9e3b2fc844bd9a47120de1b47d099738c873e79d54e8404c001e&
ForgeGit
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6 months ago (Written) sources from OG Cata seem to contradict each other, and are extremely anecdotical for the most part.
Similarly to all those anecdotes of having a "high" fail, there are other comments from back then suggesting the chance of it happening is "very low".
ZaoZao, in a 2011 post casually mentions 1/1000 uses
In that same post, Halle mentions the failure rate of getting launched into the air being an "extremely rare" ocurrence. Although it is later clarified that this might be due to mixing in-combat vs out-of-combat chances, and it is specifically about getting launched in the air (not about the leak)
Both taken from this thread: https://web.archive.org/web/20120207222357/http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t125290-blood_dk_endgame_tanking_4_x/p5/#post1990475
Lillyton
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6 months ago ZaoZao, in a 2011 post casually mentions 1/1000 uses
That's about the shield belt tinker. That one had a very low failure chance.
Lillyton
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6 months ago @CharWS Reopen this. One comment doesn't disprove the multiple I found.
knasen88
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6 months ago does it ever occur to you that people only complain when it fails? people arent gonna post when it works as expected. Any comments as source is
it is pretty easy for blizzard to just check the correct value and apply it, some communication from them would obv help to end any speculation
1. Current Behavior
1.1. Description
Nitro boost fail rate is currently too low. (around 5%)
I haven't been able to get into the beta to test this myself, but through the grapevine I've heard it's really low. Decided to make this report to at least get some attention in case I don't make it into the beta. It does sound like it can fail in dungeons (hopefully raids too), so that sounds correct.
2. Expected Behavior
2.1. Description
Nitro boost should be able to fail in instances (dungeons, raids, pvp) and have a high fail chance of 50-60%.
With the release of Cataclysm, the Blizzard team made it so Nitro boost could fail in instances. And they gave it a high chance to do so, to balance it out.