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Cataclysm - Dark Days Ahead. A turn-based survival game set in a post-apocalyptic world.
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Ants giving infected bites #18505

Closed Xpyder closed 8 years ago

Xpyder commented 8 years ago

It's not just happening with ants, I've gotten infected bites from woodland animals too.

This might be intended as any of the following, but I couldn't find any PRs listing it specifically so I'm trying to determine if this is a bug or not.

Possible valid reasons, but none verified yet:

If it isn't a bug it would be nice to have confirmation this is intended behavior.

Eighth-of-Third commented 8 years ago

This is intended behaviour. There is no zombie disease; zombies happen for other reasons. Bites get infected because mouths, human and animal, are cesspools filled with regular old bacteria.

Xpyder commented 8 years ago

@Izicata

Ok, thanks. Also not sure if that's spoilers or expected to be common knowledge (I didn't know). If it's spoilers maybe edit it to say "because of certain creatures"

Eighth-of-Third commented 8 years ago

If you're posting on the github, I generally expect that you know certain things. There's no official spoiler policy AFAIK. But sure, I'll edit the comment.

Coolthulhu commented 8 years ago

It's PK mod, which follows own realism rules. Core ants and animals don't bite, they just "hit".

kilozombie commented 8 years ago

Yeah this stuff is pretty general knowledge. An infection ingame is just grimy shit getting in the wound-- admittedly very realistic for a zombie to give, probably less so for an ant or woodland animal, but still possible.

If you want to know more about the Blob and its relation to zombies, a lot of it is in lab notes, fliers, newspapers, forum snippets and even some from survivor's notes. You can also observe plenty yourself ingame just by playing around with mutagen.

pisskop commented 8 years ago

Well, OTOH, a bite from an ant is in theory cleaner than the bite of a mammal, which is in turn cleaner than one from a dead corpse human. the reason being is that bacteria andor virii that infect humans tend to be found on humans, surprise. They also have less chance of jumping species if the the species is less related evolutionarily. Not that examples of critters having complex lifecycles that include organisms as different as mollusks and humans dont exist.

OToH, its a giant ant who is nomming on rotting flesh or animals. I could nerf it down, but I was pretty happy with the damage and resource cost this ant bit produced.

Xpyder commented 8 years ago

@pisskop Yep, the extreme differences in physiology is why it seemed strange to me. I considered the leftover bacteria idea, but I had thought most ants don't eat directly but spit up digestive enzymes to break it down first.

It turns out I was wrong. It seems a few have special pockets in their mouth to mulch and strain some food in the field, but mostly they just drag it back to the anthill and let the larva externally break it down before they eat it. And many actually use the larva as food sacks, feeding on the internal "hemolymph" juices of the larva themselves. Weird.

pisskop commented 8 years ago

Ill tone the infections down. I still want it, but Ill make them 75% less common. As soon as I can pr