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Cataclysm - Dark Days Ahead. A turn-based survival game set in a post-apocalyptic world.
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it should be possible to `a`ctivate stone adze to saw trunk into planks #28071

Closed moxian closed 5 years ago

moxian commented 5 years ago

Describe the bug
Trying to activate stone adze is possible but gives a "you can't do anything interesting with your stone adze", even when staying near/on a fallen tree trunk.

I've just now (several IRL days after crafting adze) accidentally noticed a "chop tree trunk into planks" option in construction menu (*). This is very confusing, since chopping down a tree is done in a completely different way - by activating an axe, not via construction menu.

To Reproduce
Steps to reproduce the behavior:

  1. Have a stone adze
  2. try to activate it
  3. "you can't do anything interesting with your stone adze"

Expected behavior
activating stone adze asks which tree trunk I want to saw (direction), similar to what activating an axe does (and then, naturally, saws the trunk into 2x4s)

Alternatives I see are:

Versions and configuration(please complete the following information): cataclysm-tiles_2019-02-03_21-35-44

Additional context
Somewhat offtopic, but the action of producing planks with adze is "Saw tree trunk into planks" not "Chop tree trunk into planks" as the construction menu has it. Additionally, (on a different offtopic) the description for the result of the construction action is... the following: cataclysm-tiles_2019-02-05_05-03-22

Treah commented 5 years ago

They used to both be in the construction menu and then chopping tree was moved out to a item activation. Not sure why it was done but this is the reason for the discrepancy.

Night-Pryanik commented 5 years ago

It was done because chopping trees doesn't belong to "construction". As for the issue itself - sawing wood should be moved from construction to activating wood sawing tools too.

Zombiemanpig commented 5 years ago

It was done because chopping trees doesn't belong to "construction". As for the issue itself - sawing wood should be moved from construction to activating wood sawing tools too.

If you do that can you keep the survival 2 requirement or would that be removed? Should it even be there?

Night-Pryanik commented 5 years ago

If you do that can you keep the survival 2 requirement or would that be removed? Should it even be there?

Well, I think survival 2 is a bit extreme, I believe almost everyone can figure out how to saw tree trunks. Probably lower it to survival 1.

kevingranade commented 5 years ago

Survival 2 is warranted, this is not a simple process, especially with a blade instead of a chainsaw.

Treah commented 5 years ago

~If work is going to be done to move items out can we also make the levels mean something? Currently tree chopping 2 means nothing and is not required for anything. I think this has been requested before as well.~

Survival 2 is also extremely easy to get, just examining bushes can get you there on day one.

Zombiemanpig commented 5 years ago

If work is going to be done to move items out can we also make the levels mean something? Currently tree chopping 2 means nothing and is not required for anything. I think this has been requested before as well.

Survival 2 is also extremely easy to get, just examining bushes can get you there on day one.

I thought tree chopping 2 substituted for for wood cutting 1 or something like that? (as shown in the picture in the OP) As well as be able to chop trees. It is not useless.

Night-Pryanik commented 5 years ago

Currently tree chopping 2 means nothing

Tree chopping quality level directly affects time required to chop down tree.

Treah commented 5 years ago

@Night-Pryanik I thought it did not but I had not tested it in a recent build. So ill redact that.

kevingranade commented 5 years ago

I totally missed this the first time around, a stone adze is completely unusable for riving planks, the current lack of AXE quality is intentional.

It looks like it CAN be used to very slowly fell a tree, and it's useful to very roughly hew logs into rough beams for e.g. building a cabin, but planks are right out.

moxian commented 5 years ago

Stone adze:

I'm not sure why this issue is closed - no changes were made and none of the original concerns are addressed as I see it.

I don't have an opinion on the balance and whether adze should or shouldn't be able to fell a tree/cut trunk into logs/cut log into planks, and what survival level would be needed for that. However I do have the opinion that the current behavior is terribly confusing from the UI perspective, and needs to be changed.

Treah commented 5 years ago

@moxian LOL I just read this and I agree, everyone got so flustered about the balance change and never fixed the actual problem you asked to change. I would make a new issue.