crafting time for metal armor way to short in contrast to carbonized steel armor

[Shadesmar99]

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

the crafting times of metal armor (for example metal arm guards) are way too low to make any sense.

Solution you would like.

consistent crafting times for metal armor, or phasing out those pieces of equipment

Describe alternatives you have considered.

i guess i could ignore my need for consistency and realism to conform to the status quo as an alternative solution....

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[Jarewill]

That is because those armors are made with completely different methods. Steel armor is forged, meaning it takes a lot of time to melt down the metals and forge it into a proper shape. While the metal armor is made from metal sheets hammered into shape and held together by strings. It makes sense for it to take so little time, since you are basically just hammering a sheet of metal and tying it around with a string.

https://github.com/orgs/CleverRaven/projects/1

Metal: hammered metal, sewn to jacket/sleeves/etc.

In the armor updates project, it states that metal armor is one of the planned tiers, so I don't see why it should be removed. Updated, yes, but not removed.

I believe @Drew4484 might have more to say to this.

[Drew4484]

That is because those armors are made with completely different methods. Steel armor is forged, meaning it takes a lot of time to melt down the metals and forge it into a proper shape. While the metal armor is made from metal sheets hammered into shape and held together by strings. It makes sense for it to take so little time, since you are basically just hammering a sheet of metal and tying it around with a string.

https://github.com/orgs/CleverRaven/projects/1

Metal: hammered metal, sewn to jacket/sleeves/etc.

In the armor updates project, it states that metal armor is one of the planned tiers, so I don't see why it should be removed. Updated, yes, but not removed.

I believe @Drew4484 might have more to say to this.

The goal is four tiers, scrap, hammered, scale/lamellar, and plate. These would fall to the second tier, reshaped pieces of existing armor. The crafting will change a bit but they'll offer better protection. I'm finishing up scrap armor's stats in #55832.

[LeahLuong]

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[Shadesmar99]

That is because those armors are made with completely different methods. Steel armor is forged, meaning it takes a lot of time to melt down the metals and forge it into a proper shape. While the metal armor is made from metal sheets hammered into shape and held together by strings. It makes sense for it to take so little time, since you are basically just hammering a sheet of metal and tying it around with a string.

https://github.com/orgs/CleverRaven/projects/1

Metal: hammered metal, sewn to jacket/sleeves/etc.

In the armor updates project, it states that metal armor is one of the planned tiers, so I don't see why it should be removed. Updated, yes, but not removed.

I believe @Drew4484 might have more to say to this.

There is also a discrepancy in (forged) steel armor and higher tiers like tempered steel armor. Steel armor takes about 1 day, tempered 2 weeks. Tempered involves chainmail, but those are already prepared chainmail sheets and the higher quality carbonized steel is also prepared beforehand. We already talked about this issue in discord, i just wanted to add this as an issue here, so that it wont get forgotten if Drew gets a heart attack from working too much or something

[Jarewill]

I don't know what you are talking about, as the plate armor I see (mild/medium/high carbon steel) takes 5 weeks and 4 days with all proficiencies. Case hardened plate armor takes 6 weeks and 1 day, and tempered plate armor takes 6 weeks and 3 days.

The latter two make sense to take more time, as they are made using different methods. Searching for how long tempering steel takes, I get this result:

Tempering is usually performed at temperatures as high as 950 °C (1,740 °F) for up to 20 hours. The tempering is followed by slow-cooling through the lower critical temperature, over a period that may last from 50 to over 100 hours.

Of course, I am not experienced in metalworking to actually be able to tell if that's correct or not. Though I do agree that the craft times are really long, but I guess that makes sense since it's very powerful and will last you a long time. Also the recipes don't take prepared chainmail sheets, or any form of pre-made chainmail armor.

Edit: When you mentioned the plate armor that takes a day to make, were you talking about the "plate armor" item, which is "a suit of Gothic plate armor"? Because if so, then that is an old set of armor that is being replaced by the new armors made from different types of steel.

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