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Alternatively, building motors from scratch is far too easy and should require welding (and more) to make. Realistically it should be really hard to make a motorized anything from scratch if you're not just stealing parts wholesale from other vehicles, and if you do have to make something completely from scratch it would probably just be a canoe.
Alternatively, building motors from scratch is far too easy and should require welding (and more) to make. Realistically it should be really hard to make a motorized anything from scratch if you're not just stealing parts wholesale from other vehicles, and if you do have to make something completely from scratch it would probably just be a canoe.
At the moment only small and tiny motors are buildable, and "electric motor", "large electric motor" and "enhanced" are not. Steam engines can be made, but require significant time investment. No gasoline motor can be built, according to my knowledge.
Tiny and small electric motors do not have any parts that require welding. When disassembled, they look like this: There's nothing to weld, it can be held together using any method.
Likewise it should theoretically be possible to build small (combustion) engines from scratch, as I recall seeing books (from 1980s) discussing this subject in context of aviamodelism.
That requires CASTING metal, which is currently not a thing in CDDA. An example of part of the process can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkHlgaiwUzU
And an engine built from scratch can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX5t2YSoC3s
Here's another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8zGMT6_gg
Now, those require lathe and drilling machines, but those can also be built from scratch.
An example of lathe being built from scraps can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzytexbrdlg
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Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.
At the moment it is possible to build an entirely wooden car-boat, install wheels, motors and liquid tanks on it, then it will be impossible to actually drive this thing, as that requires "controls" and controls are (seemingly arbitrarily) gated behind welding. Even when character is capable of building an electric motor and video game system from scratch, the character still cannot comprehend a method to drive a wooden car-boat he/she has built.
Solution you would like.
Add "wooden controls" craftable from wooden materials. A couple of planks plus a log would likely be sufficient. Installation should not require welding or brazing rods.
Describe alternatives you have considered.
While certainly less optimal, an alternative would be to add another method to attach "controls" to a vehicle.
That could be:
Additional context
As demonstrated here: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/34378#issuecomment-1365977109
It is possible to build most of the car parts using wood.
Mostly wooden car: (two welded parts on steering wheels, could be forged) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mVt1FGYLr4 Wooden car model with wooden steering system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFu-Wer1dQg Completely wooden bicycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yJdz-kjfLk
Another part of the problem is that the game assumes that the only way to attach metal parts together is welding, while in reality we have rivets, nuts and bolts, and given that there's portable forge, it is possible to use heated metal scraps to make braces and the like. It should also be possible to tie things together using thick wire. Modern aviation apparently uses rivets and not welding. ( https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/16995/why-are-planes-using-rivets-not-welded-construction ) Metal parts that can be installed without welding already exists in the game (Metal Tank, Storage Battery, etc).