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Does nobody like MRE entrees? #76397

Closed failboat78 closed 1 week ago

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

Describe the bug

Many of the MRE entrees seem to have negative joy stats. Are they really that bad?

Maybe they are - I have never tried an American MRE. I did have a veggy taco recently IRL and it was ok!

The BBQ beef one has positive stats, but many of the others have negative. Is this just someones personal opinion or are these items universally loathed?

Heating them up doesn't seem to help either.

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Steps to reproduce

Procure MRE Examine stats

Expected behavior

Not negative joy stat?

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failboat78 commented 1 week ago

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Aimless-dude commented 1 week ago

1) MRE meals are made to exacting standards to ensure a soldier gets all their important nutrients in these mres, alongside minimizing possibility of food poisoning, and maximizing shelf life. The focus on these things usually means the actual taste of the food suffers. If you watch any of the many MRE review videos out there, and looking up actual soldiers talking about the meals, you'll probably run into a lot of people saying things like "It tastes close enough to [X]" when complimenting a dish.

2) Eating a food at it's 'proper temperature' (Like hot MRE meals or cold milkshakes) doesn't directly improve the mood bonus from the food. It instead gives a secondary joy buff that's separate to the food's joy.

CoroNaut commented 1 week ago

Getting the bare minimum amount of food while maximizing all the needed requirements of the human body. All heated with a chemical heater (FRH), this -3 star dish is sure to keep you on your toes and in the fight!

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

The main courses seem pretty good in comparison - only the entrees seem to be disgusting tho!?

fairyarmadillo commented 1 week ago

I have tried some. They are about equivalent to average-quality canned food (chef boyardee, dinty moore, etc), and should generally be about as enjoyable.

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

I have tried some. They are about equivalent to average-quality canned food (chef boyardee, dinty moore, etc), and should generally be about as enjoyable.

We watched you eating one on youtube! You are well-qualified to perform this serious auditing task :)

(please more cdda videos!)

kevingranade commented 1 week ago

As others have indicated, there is a Very Strong Consensus that MREs are not enjoyable food and eating them does not make you particularly happy.

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

Kevin come on you didn't even read the thread. The MRE main courses all have positive joy, but the entrees have negative. This does not line up with what you just said.

If you are gonna insist on it then at least make the main courses negative joy as well.

Aimless-dude commented 1 week ago

An 'entree' is a main course. Did you mean the sides?

Zireael07 commented 1 week ago

@Aimless-dude Thanks for asking the question, I was super confused what was meant

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

@Aimless-dude @Zireael07 Thanks for asking the question, I was super confused what was meant

Wow - I was also confused by this. It seems Americans use the term in an exceptional fashion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entr%C3%A9e

However the game is set in the USA and using their rations - so the naming is correct.

This is very amusing. So now it seems MREs have awesome sides but terrible mains? But the BBQ beef is amazing?

CoroNaut commented 1 week ago

A quick look at the mre.json file reveals that most of MRE entrees are a little lower than the MRE sides. The sides do looks generally a little better than the entrees IMO. Of course, not by much.

mre_entree defaults to -1 fun mre_side defaults to 2 fun

The sides were actually added like 5 years later after the entrees were already in the game. Sides including pizza, zapplejuice, chocolate pudding. Entrees just seem like a bunch of packets of dried out nutritious meals. Generally, I don't see an issue, this seems reasonable.

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/1925be0d2b5f937ef42c52295d39522015a2c57a/data/json/items/comestibles/mre.json#L349

failboat78 commented 1 week ago

Is it correct that some of the "main courses" don't have entree in the name?

"black beans in sauce" - should this say entree to be consistent with the other items? Maybe not as this doesn't seem to have over 200 calories.

There are other MRE items that do have over 200 calories but seem to be sides. It's difficult to tell which is a main and which is a side.

fairyarmadillo commented 1 week ago

At this point it's a solution in search of a problem, I don't think there's anything wrong with MREs. It's also best not to carry on discussions in closed issues as nobody is going to see them.