Disproportional mass-to-bulk for certain things

[Alicecomma]

For example Go-Juice has mass 0.04kg or 40g (500 mL PET bottles are ~20 g, so let's say it's a heavy ~340 mL bottle) in total with a bulk of 1.00 (340 mL) while beer has a mass of 0.5 kg or 500g (could be accurate for a 340 mL beer bottle) and a bulk of 1.00 (340 mL) as well. Rationally speaking, a 340 mL bottle should hold roughly 340 g of both beer and go-juice - yet go-juice appears weightless or its container is disproportionally bulky.

Someone should go through the mass/bulk of things and make them more sensible.

[frenchiveruti]

Well... you are confusing two different measures, that are Volume, and Weight. without considering density. Go-Juice, as it's a beverage that "speeds up" pawns, should be less dense therefore less heavy (for the same 340mL bottle) as it represents the properties that it provides to the colonists.

[frenchiveruti]

Take for example this: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/5l4x0h/what_is_the_lightest_liquid_and_what_would_a/

[Alicecomma]

I don't want to discuss density here, it is the fact that carrying ten bottles of beer makes sense to cost 5 kg and 3.4 liters of space whereas it doesn't make sense that ten charges of go-juice cost 0.4 kg and 3.4 liters of space. Go Juice needs its weight increased to be in line with beer or its bulk decreased to be more in line with (0.4 / 5) * 3.4 ~= 0.275 liters.

[frenchiveruti]

But again! You can have a balloon full of helium that it has a Volume of 3.4L, and it weighs nothing!

[NoImageAvailable]

I think between the fact that this change would require lots of work to change one line in a whole bunch of defs (thereby creating potential conflicts) I think this is an issue best revisited once A17 adds an XML patcher to vanilla.

[NoImageAvailable]

Reopened now that A17 is released

[frenchiveruti]

I again say that Volume isn't the same as weight! haha

[Alicecomma]

I've got a Google Sheets file for A16 specifically if anyone's interested in seeing the progress I had made at that point:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UMtjnZ6Auo3LhHIYyy64ii8h0RdrBkcK-7xnemsw6DQ/edit?usp=sharing

[Alicecomma]

Additional ideas:

• Define meat amounts based on animal bulk - this would make butchering provide ridiculously large amounts of meat, which is quite realistic. Poor butchers would produce much less meat. Fridges would be extremely important to handle any butchery.
• Define a maximum bulk or mass for each resource rather than a maximum stack size. This way, stack sizes are normalized across types of resources, so a full stack of metals would always have the same bulk, allowing you to build the same walls with them. A full stack of food would always have the same mass, allowing the same amount of nutrition between them all.
• Base weapon mass on the weapon type's bulk requirements and the material's mass/bulk ratio, perhaps even basing weapon damage and level requirements on mass.

[N7Huntsman]

It seems to me that the amount of meat provided from butchering is already controlled by baseBodySize, and meat amount is already affected by the butcher's cooking skill. Why change that? What's the benefit?

[Alicecomma]

The difference is animal corpse bulk (m^3) is much larger than baseBodySize which is a measure of height (m).