Crumplecorn / ARK-Breeding-Calculator

ARK Breeding Calculator
http://crumplecorn.com/content/breeding-calculator
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wyvern and rock drakes #13

Open gbusoni opened 5 years ago

gbusoni commented 5 years ago

Why wyverns and rock drakes have been left out? These would be the most useful ones, as you need time to find their food

Also, Why not adding ALL type of foods? For example, prime meat is missing, but it is often used to feed baby dinos, especially when you search for mutations and you end upp killing 99/100 of the babys :D

TafThorne commented 5 years ago

Why wyverns and rock drakes have been left out?

I expect that because they have a slightly odd food mechanic they were ommitted (or maybe they did not exist when first this tool was coded). I can look into adding them at some stage.

Why not adding ALL type of foods?

I shall look at the possibility of adding other food types. However, I can guess the answers. in terms of practicality.

Raw food is all the same for baby dinos (prime or regual gives them 50 food). There is no point distinguishing it. https://ark.gamepedia.com/Breeding#Food_Values However Prime does point crazy fast and it does not stack. If you are looking to leave animals for any length of time (which is more likely if you are using the cal) you basically should not use prime in most cases.

Cooked prime meat does last longer than raw and give more food than cooked standard meat. Do you really process that much cooked prime though for raising? I could look at adding that 1 if it would be of help to you.

gbusoni commented 5 years ago

Rock drakes require quite a lot of poison, so it would be good to know in advance how much you need. Both milk and poison have spoilage times and no fridge option, so you also better know when you'll need them, to make some planning. In general, I feel it would be very usefull.

Well, raw prime meat I don't use much.

Cooked prima meat, cooked mutton, meat jerky instead have different spoilage time. I use cooked prime a lot, because searching for mutations makes me kill 50+ baby rex per day. I have tonnes of it. Plus, some time ago I was asked suggestion on how to keep fed a baby rex on official for a weekend without ever getting online, now the answer was there was no way using mornal cooked meat, and I could check it easily with your tool, however I though it could be possible by using cooked prime or mutton, as they have higehr spoilage times, but could not check it. Also, adding spolier time multiplier could help for unofficials with non-standard settings.

Adding raw prime could be good as well for modded servers, where prime stacks.

Finally, fish is also an option, not only raw but also cooked. Prime fish is much more unusual to get, so I probably would not use it much, but maybe for completeness.

Talking of herbivores, normal beerries are different from mejoberry?

TafThorne commented 5 years ago

Thank you for the further feedback. It is helpful in working out what parts are useful and which are not.

Talking of herbivores, normal beerries are different from mejoberry?

Yes. As shown at: https://ark.gamepedia.com/Breeding#Food_Values mejo give more food than standard berries but less than crops. I personally use Crops at times as they are quite easy to get but those are not yet included.

Some of the answers to this are that the original developer, Mr Crumplcorn stopped playing ark a number of years ago so stopped adding new features. I am a user that just happens to be able to do a little coding. I try to add the really useful bits as I find this calculator great.

some time ago I was asked suggestion on how to keep fed a baby rex on official for a weekend without ever getting online

A baby 0 % rex is not possible. It would need a massive weight stat to make it to trough.

Handfeed raw meat to 6.4 % (just under 5 hours). Then put a lot of kibble in a trough, about 31 stacks of it. Cooked meat of any kind will spoil too soon.

Better might be if you have tek. Handfeed again for 5 hours then fill with raw. Put 197 stacks of raw meat into 2 tek troughs and you are set. I would fill 2 tek troughs or more to be safe.

I would also caution against leaving any baby for long times as Ark seems to do rough calculations when bringing server sectors out of idle. When you are logged in, every few seconds ark checks if a dino baby wants food or if food needs spoiled, so the baby stays full and the food spoils 1 bit at a time. When you are logged out for an hour (or 10 or 20) and you log back in, ark works out how much food should have spoiled in that time, then spoils it. After that, it then works out how much a dino should have eaten and tries to eat it. This means all the food is gone before a baby takes a single bite rather than the baby eating a bit then a bit spoiling repeated. The calculator does not cater for this. On smaller time scales or with stuff that is not spoiling fast it is not a big error over a few hours but it gets more wrong over longer time periods.

Crumplecorn commented 5 years ago

With wyverns and drakes the issue is how long you can preserve the food for and they can go a long time without food, vs everything else where the food lasts a long time but they eat constantly. So, they don't really fit in this calculator.

It's relatively simple to calculate how long a wyvern/drake has left before it needs feeding, I have a spreadsheet somewhere with the numbers, I'll see if I can track it down.