GENERAL: plants vs fruits

[solpahi]

Is e.g. plise an apple, an apple tree or any part of an apple tree whether it is the fruit or not?

In Gua\spi fruit root words always refer to the tree, and compounds are used to refer to the fruit of a tree. On the other hand, natlangs often start from the fruit, and use a compound for the tree ("apple tree").

[uakci]

I think that, just as culture gismu, fruit gismu should refer to both the fruit and the tree. For example, plise here:

x1 is a apple / apple tree of species x2.

On Aug 10, 2016 2:12 PM, "solpahi" notifications@github.com wrote:

Is e.g. plise an apple, an apple tree or any part of an apple tree whether it is the fruit or not?

In Gua\spi fruit root words always refer to the tree, and compounds are used to refer to the fruit of a tree. On the other hand, natlangs often start from the fruit, and use a compound for the tree ("apple tree").

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[mezohe]

No opinion here

[solpahi]

Okay.

With uakci's suggestion

I think that, just as culture gismu, fruit gismu should refer to both the fruit and the tree. For example, plise here:

x1 is a apple / apple tree of species x2.

one might read the definition and find it weird how {plise} seems to refer to two different things, but I just realized that a good way to think of it might be that {plise} works like {djacu} or {rokci}, that it's an "amount/portion of apple tree". Really, the problem here is English, not Lojban. Even German taxonomy uses the word for {plise} for the tree as well.

I think I'm in favor of this gismu-like broadness, and am expecting a lot of lujvo in the future. The notes should say something about how to specifically refer to the individual meanings (plise zei tricu vs plise zei grute).