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Language of society B369 (Norton Sound Inuit) #2

Open KatjaMellmann opened 3 weeks ago

KatjaMellmann commented 3 weeks ago

Hi there! Society B369 (Norton Sound Inuit) is presently linked to a Yupik language (kusk1241). I would assume nort2945 - an Inuit language - would rather be correct here. Or what was your source for this attribution? Thanks for considering, Katja

xrotwang commented 1 week ago

There are no notes recorded for this decision (see https://github.com/D-PLACE/dplace-dataset-binford/blob/main/raw/societies.csv#L16). So I guess, it must be based on the two sources cited by Binford for this society (see https://d-place.org/society/B369). Both sources - Seltzer 1933 and Ray 1992 are present in Glottolog, but the language coding there is also only based on the D-PLACE data.

We'll keep digging - leaving the issue opened until we find something.

KatjaMellmann commented 1 week ago

Sorry for bothering you with that. I've done a few researches myself in the meantime and now think it's ok the way you did it and you don't need to track it down again. Norton Sound has indeed been a Yupik language region. The confusing designation of Norton Sound "Inuit" seems to adhere to a convention in the more outdated literature.

Instead I was wondering why, for several societies (Na6/B299, B296, B369), you put kusk1241 (a dialect) instead of cent2127 (the language level), which at least in the case of the Nunivak (Na6/B299) might be a problematic decision.

But this is just cosmetics. Thanks for your database, btw. I am an enthusiastic user since quite a few years.

xrotwang commented 1 week ago

I agree that assigning society Nunivak (Na6/B299) to a sister dialect of the dialect Nunivak seems problematic. And while the Glottolog dialect repository is still quite volatile, Nunivak has been included also at the time the D-PLACE data was initially aggregated. So I'll leave this issue open as a reminder that this might be worth checking.