Improve farming

[MarkuBu]

Farlands adds some new items to farming, but the only food I use is bread. There are two main reasons:

1. Bread gives the most saturation as far as I could see
2. Crops like potatoes rot too fast, as mentioned in #127

To make farming more attractive some thoughts for discussion.

• Increase growing time of the crops and let them stay much longer in "mature" state.
• Add some more crops like lettuce, soy and so on.
• Some crops only can be found in backyards or can be purchased as seeds from a trader.
• Currently it is faster if you harvest with a sword. Would make more sense with a scythe or a sickle. (Ironically the german word for scythe is "Sense" ;) )
• add a rot state to all crops, to make it consistent.

List of crops

• Carrot
• Corn
• Melon
• Potato
• Pumpkin
• Radish
• Cotton
• Wheat

A few suggestions for new crops

• Lettuce
• Soybeans
• Strawberries
• Onion
• Garlic
• Rice

Rice must be planted on dirt under water.

New items

• compost bin
• scythe or sickle, probably both

In the compost bin you can make compost from crops and other plant stuff like grass and leaves

New nodes

• garden soil

Garden soil is made of compost and dirt. Crops grow faster on this soil and no water source is needed

[D00Med]

@tobyplowy It's not really crow-shaped. Sprinklers are a good idea :)

[tobyplowy]

It's not really crow-shaped.

For quality reasons I will make a new model :) Added to my to-do list

[D00Med]

@tobyplowy Thankyou :)

[MarkuBu]

How do we get seeds? That is the next question to which I would like an answer.

The default farming mod assumes that harvesting always drops a crop and a seed. But that doesn't makes sense.

My suggestions:

• Wheat: If you harvest wheat you get wheat. From that wheat you get straw and seeds. From the seeds you can make flour or you can plant them.
• Potatoes: If you harvest you get potatoes. The potatoes can be planted as seeds as usual
• Cotton: If you harvest you get cotton balls. The seeds are inside the cotton balls. If you separate them you get cotton and seeds.
• Pumpkin, Melon: If you harvest pumpkins/melons you don't get "slices". You get a pumpkin or melon. You can cut them in slices an get the seeds out of the "meat".
• Corn: If you harvest corn you get corncobs. You can eat them or you can make seeds. In this case the crop can also be the seed

Now it gets more complicated:

• Carrots: in nature carrots need to flower to get seeds, but they flower in the second year.
• Same with lettuce. You can't plant a lettuce plant to grow new lettuce

The question: Should salad, carrots, etc. stay as it is? The crop is also the seed?

[MarkuBu]

The thing is, that the default farming mod from MTG defines crops and seeds for all plants. If you harvest you always get a crop and a seed.

We need to define now how farming should look like in Farlands.

• Crops and seeds for all plants like in MTG?
• Crops can be seeds, even if it is not realistic like carrots in farming redo?
• A more realistic approach where some crops can be seeds, some crops need to flower...?
• Something else?

[tobyplowy]

Crops can be seeds, even if it is not realistic like carrots in farming redo?

Yes that one

Pumpkin, Melon: If you harvest pumpkins/melons you don't get "slices". You get a pumpkin or melon. You can cut them in slices an get the seeds out of the "meat".

Yes that's a better idea

NOTE we whant to make farlands complicated but a kid shuld still be abel to understand it :)

I dount like the flowering idea

[MarkuBu]

Ok, I agree with that too. Just want to clarify.

The thing is: default MTG farming simplifies everything to a common ground. All crops are handled identical. farming redo is a bit messy because you have to define each state for each crop. But both have the problem, that they define a common growing routine. Too many if's and then's to decide what should happen.

Let's define farming:

• Each crop has a grow time, independent from the number of grow states.
• Each crop has a mature state, where it stays for a while.
• Each crop has a rot state after mature, which is the last state.
• Crops like potatoes or carrots don't drop seeds because the crop itself is the seed.
• Pumpkins and melons are harvested in one peace and can be crafted into slices. Slices can be used as seeds.
• Wheat and cotton drop seeds and the crop when harvested as it is now.

And one important thing: farming should only contain seasonal crops and not "perennials" like fruits and berry bushes

[tobyplowy]

Each crop has a grow time, independent from the number of grow states.

Yes

Each crop has a mature state, where it stays for a while.

Yes

Each crop has a rot state after mature, which is the last state.

I'm repeating myself but yes

Maybe rotten crops can be used as compost?

Crops like potatoes or carrots don't drop seeds because the crop itself is the seed.

Correct

Pumpkins and melons are harvested in one peace and can be crafted into slices. Slices can be used as seeds.

Maybe slices need to be crafted in to seeds first?

Wheat and cotton drop seeds and the crop when harvested as it is now

Yes

And one important thing: farming should only contain seasonal crops and not "perennials" like fruits and berry bushes

Why not?

[MarkuBu]

Maybe rotten crops can be used as compost?

Of course, but mostly anything from plants can be used to make compost

Maybe slices need to be crafted in to seeds first?

Maybe, but not necessarily.

Why not?

You already have fruit trees and berry bushes. You add fruits to the default trees and bushes. I would extend this as I mentioned in #153. You can make fruit trees from sapling + fruit and maybe berry bushes from bush sapling + berry. But they are different kind of plants. Everything that grows on trees or bushes should be handled as tree or bush.

Other plants like strawberries or rhubarb are perennials, but I would treat them like seasonal crops

[tobyplowy]

@markubu ok

[tobyplowy]

Yes I can but maybe we can use the bird model that we already have?

It's not really crow-shaped.

hu bingo

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu @D00Med crow is done crow.zip

[D00Med]

@tobyplowy Awesome, it looks great!

[MarkuBu]

Nice job

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu @D00Med thanks :)

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu @D00Med shuld we add slimes aswell (they should also eat crops)

[MarkuBu]

shuld we add slimes aswell

Hmm, no. Not now

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu shuld we add moth traps someting like this https://starbounder.org/Moth_Trap

They give silk and that can be used for stuff like making string and so on

[MarkuBu]

Interesting idea, but shouldn't added to farming.

I still have no good idea how to implement farming in a nice way.

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu this was actually in my original plan for farming when me and d00med started farlands Can you add it please?

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu I already have a model

[tobyplowy]

@MarkuBu

[tobyplowy]

^ moth trap ^