Pokemon Soul Silver Randomized AP-Patched crashes into Red Screen (Data Abort) randomly

[mamoru800]

Your console: Nintendo DSi

Launch Method: SD Card

Version used: TWL v25.5.0 and nds-bootstrap Ver. Release v.0.66.0

Game tested/used/applicable: Pokemon Soul Silver - Randomized AP-Patched Rom (US/EUR)

Save file:

Expected Behavior: Game runs normally.

Actual Behavior: Game crashes randomly, but especially when opening the Bag, Entering/Leaving Houses, Entering Battle, ...

Steps to reproduce

1. Launch Game and Play for a random amount of time
2. Red Screen appears showing "Data Abort"-Error

nds-bootstrap.ini

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Other notes

Will you be available for future issues and/or replies? yes

[RocketRobz]

Does the same issue occur with the clean ROM?

[mamoru800]

Wow you're fast to answer. Thanks a lot first of all. And Yes, it also happens to the non-randomized ROM.

The Images shown, are from 2 different crashes, showing (apparently) the exact same error.

[RocketRobz]

Weirdly, I'm not getting crashes on a clean HeartGold ROM, which means this is a difficult issue to fix.

[RocketRobz]

Please upload the save file.

[mamoru800]

savs.zip

File "SS_AP_1" is the non-randomized rom.

File "SS_AP_R_1" is the randomized rom.

Edit 1: Save Files are "identical", since I copied them over and renamed them to the corresponding rom-name, to keep my progress.

Edit 2: And as I mentioned - Crashes appear sporadically and are sometimes difficult to reproduce. Sometimes after 1 Minute sometimes after 1 h of Playing.

Edit 3: Weirdly, I cannot seem to reproduce the error with another clean rom now, of which I also played a randomized version, which instantly crashed after 15/20 seconds.

So is really the Randomization the reason for crashing? That would be a pity, since I only really use it for increasing the trainer's pokemon levels to make it more challenging.

[mamoru800]

Update: I just got another error on a clean Rom, using the savefile mentioned.

This time, the Screen reads as follows:

I don't know, if these repeating patterns in the RAM-Viewer mean anything to you, but just in case I uploaded them as well..

[Epicpkmn11]

bump.

These things can take time, this is just a hobby and we've got lives outside of it – and Robz is the only person who really knows how to fix this kinda thing. bump messages don't help anything.

[mamoru800]

Another maybe relevant piece of info is, that I started the game on an Emulator (Desmume) and then converted the .dsv into an .sav file online.

[mamoru800]

Update: I copied the same rom onto a 3ds-system with the same save file. Beforehand I imported and exported the save-file using Desmume, then copied it onto the 3ds-system. I got the exact same error.

[Purplened]

I have the same error, non randomised rom of the game. It just happens sometimes and I don't recall having this problem the last time I played with my DSi and twilight menu ++

[Purplened]

Note: I updated twilight menu ++ manually because because I was getting freezing crashes before, and now those are gone but now I got this red screen error like 5-10 minutes after the last one. It's kinda annoying and makes it unplayable

[RocketRobz]

I have the same error, non randomised rom of the game. It just happens sometimes and I don't recall having this problem the last time I played with my DSi and twilight menu ++

Note: I updated twilight menu ++ manually because because I was getting freezing crashes before, and now those are gone but now I got this red screen error like 5-10 minutes after the last one. It's kinda annoying and makes it unplayable

Try re-dumping your ROM then.

[Purplened]

I have the same error, non randomised rom of the game. It just happens sometimes and I don't recall having this problem the last time I played with my DSi and twilight menu ++

Note: I updated twilight menu ++ manually because because I was getting freezing crashes before, and now those are gone but now I got this red screen error like 5-10 minutes after the last one. It's kinda annoying and makes it unplayable

Try re-dumping your ROM then.

I already did that, started a new save file too. Thank you for answering so fast, I understand this is not an easy task

[RocketRobz]

Are cheats enabled?

[Purplened]

Yes, only AP fix. I've tried without it and the error seems not related to that.

[Purplened]

One notable thing is that it only chashes when starting a battle, leaving a house, the bag and that kind of actions.

[RocketRobz]

You should keep it off then, as the ROMs are automatically AP-patched on the fly.

[RocketRobz]

One notable thing is that it only chashes when starting a battle, leaving a house, the bag and that kind of actions.

Your issue may be caused by SD load times. It may be slow enough to cause errors.

[Purplened]

Should I make a copy of my files and reformat my SD? I don't know if that helps. Btw I managed to take a picture of the error if it helps you identify something:

[Purplened]

[RocketRobz]

Should I make a copy of my files and reformat my SD?

Maybe. Please follow this guide to do so: https://dsi.cfw.guide/sd-card-setup.html

This is the exact same one as the photo by the OP. It could very well be a timing issue then.

[Purplened]

Is is because of our hardware or something wrong with the latest release? I didn't have this error when playing this exact ROM a couple of years ago, that's why it must be one of those. I'm updating how it goes as soon as I have the SD formatted and the game tested.

[Purplened]

As I feared, it appeared again. The SD seems intact in terms of speed (at least it's not obvious that it died like one I had some time ago). I don't know what to do now, the game runs flawlessly in every aspect but this.

[RocketRobz]

Try updating nds-bootstrap. If the issue persists, then turn on TWL clock speed in the per-game settings menu.

[Purplened]

Tried first the v0.68.0 you just released, then turned down the clock speed to 67MHz and the error still triggers after 2-3 minutes of gameplay. If you need more feedback ask me, any file or screenshot.

[RocketRobz]

Are you able to check if HeartGold also has this issue?

[Purplened]

I found the problem, in 5 minutes I'll explain what I think it happened.

[Purplened]

Ok so it seems like I was using a rom with an anti-freeze patch which worked a couple years ago, but now it doesn't. OP must be using the same rom, and the randomized one seems to be based on that rom with the patch. I've downloaded a clean rom, free of any patches and it works! I've been playing for 20 minutes PKMN SS (non patched) and also downloaded the HG rom (patched) which I'm testing now to confirm my theory. I'm uploading these roms if you want to check them up, but I feel like I wasted your time because I should have tried this in the first place. I still don't understand how this rom stopped working correctly, that's why I want to help finding the problem. Thank you so much for your atention and the time you dedicated to our case, you mean a lot to the latest DS scene.

With that being said here are the roms: This is the original one, this works 100%.

This is the patched one, worked for me some time ago but we started having issues recently:

After posting this I'm going to try Heartgold (patched) to check if I'm right, I'll report later.

[Purplened]

Note: They are in Spanish because it's my main language, but I wanted to share them with you if it helps finding what caused this much trouble in the code of the games.

[RocketRobz]

Please don't post links to commercial ROMs (patched or not).

[Purplened]

I'm sorry, didn't think about the community guidelines before posting that.

[Purplened]

As I expected, the problem seems to be the patched rom. HG (with the freeze fix) has the same behaviour as SS. So the solution is to use only original roms and if playing a randomized one, make sure it's based on the original game and not the one with the patch. @mamoru800 hope you see this before giving up. Again, thank you for doing this much for the community @RocketRobz , and the attention you give us.

[RocketRobz]

Unfortunately, randomized ROMs are not automatically patched, so the AP-fix which comes from the patcher tool would need to be fixed for nds-bootstrap.

[Purplened]

So the problem all this time was the AP-fix not working with custom roms? Makes sense, hope you find a way to fix it but at least you are now aware.

[SrkiMecava]

As I expected, the problem seems to be the patched rom. HG (with the freeze fix) has the same behaviour as SS. So the solution is to use only original roms and if playing a randomized one, make sure it's based on the original game and not the one with the patch. @mamoru800 hope you see this before giving up. Again, thank you for doing this much for the community @RocketRobz , and the attention you give us.

hey sooo,i bought a dsi yesterday,and was buged bcs i wanter the trade evolutions,so i downloaded all the roms(gen 4,5) but they didont have the trade requirement,so u can get gengar on lvl 37,and i just got the same error,im not a tech person and its hard for me to understand what u guys were sayng(soryyyy T.T) , is the solution to just get the normal version with the trade evolutions or is there a way to by pass that.

[Purplened]

As I expected, the problem seems to be the patched rom. HG (with the freeze fix) has the same behaviour as SS. So the solution is to use only original roms and if playing a randomized one, make sure it's based on the original game and not the one with the patch. @mamoru800 hope you see this before giving up. Again, thank you for doing this much for the community @RocketRobz , and the attention you give us.

hey sooo,i bought a dsi yesterday,and was buged bcs i wanter the trade evolutions,so i downloaded all the roms(gen 4,5) but they didont have the trade requirement,so u can get gengar on lvl 37,and i just got the same error,im not a tech person and its hard for me to understand what u guys were sayng(soryyyy T.T) , is the solution to just get the normal version with the trade evolutions or is there a way to by pass that.

It seems that the rom you're using has a patch or modification that makes it unstable. I suggest making a copy of your save file, download an original copy of the game (you can find it online, make sure it has NOT any anti-freeze patch or anything like that), and name the save file the same way as the game. In your SD, the same should be in roms/nds and the save file should be in roms/nds/saves. In case anything bad happens keep copies of your current .nds game and .sav files in a safe location of your pc. Just to sum up, you need another .nds game which works well and renaming the .sav file after making a copy in case it doesn't work.

[SrkiMecava]

fast boy tyty <3,os there a place were i can be sure there are no anti-freeze patch

[SrkiMecava]

and dose this generaly happen to hacked roms?, for year id play on an emulator and this is the first im using a hand held

[Purplened]

I can't tell you because of the rules of github, search for something like "Pokémon heartgold soulsilver rom" and try a few of them, may not work with the first one you find

[Purplened]

and dose this generaly happen to hacked roms?, for year id play on an emulator and this is the first im using a hand held

Yes it happened to me and OP because of the hacked rom, you must use an original one if you don't want this error to pop up

[SrkiMecava]

and dose this generaly happen to hacked roms?, for year id play on an emulator and this is the first im using a hand held

Yes it happened to me and OP because of the hacked rom, you must use an original one if you don't want this error to pop up

thank you for everyhing,i thought the dsi was broken and i dashed right on the internet,and ur my angel

[Purplened]

and dose this generaly happen to hacked roms?, for year id play on an emulator and this is the first im using a hand held

Yes it happened to me and OP because of the hacked rom, you must use an original one if you don't want this error to pop up

thank you for everyhing,i thought the dsi was broken and i dashed right on the internet,and ur my angel

No problem, hope you fix it pal

[SrkiMecava]

Downloaded a clean rom, used UPR mself and been crash testing it for the past 2h...looking good so far

[Hardback247]

I'm getting this same issue with my copy of HeartGold that has Refined Gold patched into it. Where exactly can I find a ROM of HeartGold that doesn't have an anti-freeze patch? How would I know the difference? Is this really going to fix the red screen crashes? I'm using a ROM that I used NDSForwarder to put it on my home screen.

[SrkiMecava]

Hey do I just downloaded a few at one and just tested it for a few minutes,when u boot it up ,just enter and exit a building for a few minutes and If u don't get an error for a while ur good

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I'm getting this same issue with my copy of HeartGold that has Refined Gold patched into it. Where can I find a ROM of HeartGold that doesn't have an anti-freeze patch? Could someone at least point me in the right direction?

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[Hardback247]

With the ROM I used, I actually got it to work for at least half an hour, until it crashed to the red screens when a battle started.

[Hardback247]

Hey do I just downloaded a few at one and just tested it for a few minutes,when u boot it up ,just enter and exit a building for a few minutes and If u don't get an error for a while ur good … On Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 9:49 PM Hardback247 @.> wrote: I'm getting this same issue with my copy of HeartGold that has Refined Gold patched into it. Where can I find a ROM of HeartGold that doesn't have an anti-freeze patch? Could someone at least point me in the right direction? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1489 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/A46IY4NAMQIEHXV575KAEO3WYKBPBANCNFSM6AAAAAASCUGRK4 . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: @.>

I tried FOUR different HeartGold roms, all patched with the Gold Refined rom hack, and they ALL crashed with the red screens when I entered and exited a building a few times. They're the only ones I could find. I don't know what to do.

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[Fjami]

Hey I’m having this problem and I have tried so much stuff and it’s so hard I have been struggling to fix this and asked so many specialists and tried everything and getting this red screen error. If any of you could please help, message me on discord please Species #9540 or instagram ferasjami

[Fjami]

Update: I am using physical cartridge and dumping it of heart gold and soul silver and black, I am also using digital copy and getting the crash, what can I do?

[ALExxxLuna]

So the problem all this time was the AP-fix not working with custom roms? Makes sense, hope you find a way to fix it but at least you are now aware. Purplened, I need your help