Question about bricks

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Hi!!

First of all, Daco, thank you very much for this nice software, I really
feel safe installing WADs and other crap :D

My question is about how much protection priiloader offers. I have been
looking for particular answers but I have not found them. So, the question
is, in what cases does priiloader NOT work? For example: "only if you
fuc*** up your System menu and/or IOS60".

I think it would be useful to know that because there are a lot of people
that cannot install bootmii as boot2 and we don't know where is our limit
messing up the wii :-p.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 1 Mar 2010 at 7:54

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basicly the only thing priiloader needs to run is:
boot0 & boot1 (doubtful these will fail as these can -NOT- be changed just like 
that)
boot2
system menu IOS (a non stub version that works)
system menu title installed (doesn't matter is sys menu itself doesn't work, the
title just needs to be bootable)

so by that we can say that any type of brick that would make sys menu get stuck 
can
be fixed by priiloader->HBC.
so thats
bannerbricks
title bricks
any other title/sys menu files related stuff

its not much but its something :P

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so, in theory you would be able to delete any IOS but 60 (in 4.1) and 61 (HBC), 
and
then use priiloader to access HBC and reinstall it?

and, if the HBC IOS is deleted (or whatever), can priiloader still access 
Bootmii/IOS?

it's interesting to know which IOS are safe to mess with, for example using 
dop-ios
or pimp my wii.

it's not (very) much, but for us without Bootmii/boot2 it is ALL :D

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 1 Mar 2010 at 8:48

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actually, also ios36. both HBC and priiloader use IOS 36 for homebrew

and yes if HBC is deleted or can't boot priiloader can load bootmii ios cause
starting bootmii ios is just a IOS Reload of ios245

basicly, ios36,HBC ios, Bootmii ios (if installed) and system menu ios should 
always
work.

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 1 Mar 2010 at 8:56

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thank you very much daco, now it's clearer. I think this information should be
somewhere here and in the WiiBrew page.

you said it's not much, but I guess priiloader covers almost 100% of bricks we 
can
make doing usual things (like installing wads, ios, etc). We do not touch that
critical things every day :p

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 1 Mar 2010 at 10:45

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Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 13 Mar 2010 at 3:27

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Actually it doesn't protect against ANY brick.
I managed bricking my 2nd Wii while this was installed and had no way of 
reversing it.
So I wouldn't mod my Wii without reading the readme file or post first if I was 
you.

Original comment by real.adr...@gmail.com on 21 Mar 2010 at 5:33

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what. youre wrong on every way possible. priiloader DOES stop bricks but 
apparently
you were foolish enough to have a IOS/system menu title brick (which priiloader 
wont
help you with)

in which both you failed horribly ;)

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 21 Mar 2010 at 7:03

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actually, bricking your wii on itself is one hell off an art. i dont have 
bootmii as
boot2 and during the priiloader progress ive only managed to almost brick my 
wii twice...

and since you managed to brick your wii with priiloader installed im guessing 
you
wanted to downgrade and you used some shitty tool like wankers downgrader or you
didn't use your head

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 21 Mar 2010 at 7:30

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Daco dude....just answer this one question.
Does this priiloader work for all system menu(3.4 for example)
If it dont then, you need to make one with all system menu available. i bet 
youll 
get alot of downloads and fame! :)

P.S i dont want to downgrade thats why im asking this question

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 21 Mar 2010 at 9:57

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eventhough i find downgrading a stupid thing, priiloader should be able to be
installed on every system menu.

however, only the upcoming priiloader 0.4 will support the startup of system 
menu 2.x

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 22 Mar 2010 at 4:57

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Ok thanks dude. im installing priiloader 0.4 beta on my 3.4 system menu

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 22 Mar 2010 at 9:44

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 WAIT. Some people saying its only for 4.2. Daco i dont wanna Fuck up my wii lol.
 I dont want to install on my 3.4 system unless you confirm.

 Anyways look on youtube about Newer Super bros Wii.(Have a little fun)

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 5:58

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WTF I have priiloader installed in my 4.1E system, do you believe that "people"?

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 6:01

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we installed priiloader on all U & E system menu's

its preloader that only supports system menu 4.0,4.1 & 4.2 (deu to it patching 
ios)

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 6:09

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Well ok then.... ill install today.

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 12:14

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i bricked dude!!!!! i thought priiloader 0.4 beta was for all system menu's! I 
pressed the back button and the plus button. i installed it on ios249 but Im 
glad i 
have a backup wii

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 9:57

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i think the ''People were right'' Priiloader only for 4.0,4.1,4.2
Well.....ill stop bothering you

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 23 Mar 2010 at 10:04

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No, you probably just compiled incorrectly :p
thats what you get for trying betas ;)

Original comment by lpq...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2010 at 12:18

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Youre right. So i just press the plus button the next time right?

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2010 at 12:54

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sigh,

you screwed up something thats for sure.

we installed the beta on ALL E AND U SYSTEM MENU'S AND IT BOOTED ALL FINE AND 
WORKED
PERFECTLY (as in, all 2.x , 3.x & 4.x system menu's)

however, did you try holding reset and then pressing power to boot?

also, thats indeed what you get with beta's. 0.3 works on all E&U system menu's
(except 2.x) as well AND is fully tested.

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2010 at 6:35

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Reading this thread I understand that I can install the 0.4 on my 3.4 System 
Menu.
The same is valid for the latest 0.3, is that right?

In many places I've read that for the 3.4 menu there are no hacks available in
priiloader. Is that right? What kind of things will not work on this system 
menu?
Anyways, the main reason that I have to install priiloader is for brick 
protection,
as I have no change to use bootmii as boot2.

I'm missing an "official howto" with the steps to install it. Reading on 
priiloader
help I

My Trucha IOS is 16. With the signcheck 0.3b it's marked as "Trucha bug" and 
"Flash
access". In all places that talk about priiloader talk about IOS 36. Is enough 
with
installing it with my current configuration or I really have to do something to 
IOS 36?

I think that the wiibrew page about priiloader is missing many information, some
basic as the how to install it and the requirement. It would help.

Anyways, I want to thank you devs for working on this application.

Original comment by aironm...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2010 at 9:30

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Just tell me right now...Do i have to press the plus button or B button + Plus 
button? (Im trying it on my second wii)

Original comment by jmafiak...@gmail.com on 24 Mar 2010 at 11:38

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Patch your IOS36 with all patches using DOP-Mii and install using the + button. 
 I
wouldn't trust cios if I were you, Waninkoko's been fiddling with so many 
things in
the IOS that it broke SNEEK compatibility once, so just stick to the simple 
stuff,
stay away from betas and you should be fine.  No guarantees though :P

Original comment by lpq...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 12:52

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from what i heard cios has been fucked on so many levels recently

anyway, i still haven't heard the full story of the "bricked" wii from 
jmafiakin. let
alone hear what happend during the install. 
and since it happend during the install off 0.4 im VERY interrested in it

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 3:20

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I got a bit confused with the latest comment.

So, to be clear, having System menu 3.4.

IOS 16 with Trucha and Flash Enable
CIOS 249 rev17

IOS 36 virgin (just homebrew channel installed)

In theory, I don't have to do anything else than just installing priiloader, 
doesn't
it? That means, that having CIOS 249 I don't have the need to patch IOS 36. 
Please,
confirm me this, as I'm a bit confused.

Thanks in advance.

Original comment by aironm...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:13

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that is correct. if you hold B and then press + it should install using 
CIOS(249)

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:18

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in theory you don't, BUT! I recommend you update using Pimp My Wii to 4.1, patch
IOS36 and use it to install Priiloader. There are no reasons to keep 3.4.

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:18

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true, 3.4 is kinda not needed :)

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:19

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Thank you for your messages, you're very kind and helpful.

The only problem about updating than I have is that I have no chance to use 
bootmii
as boot2.
I have done some test using showmiiwads and sneek, installing IOS 60 and the 
system
menu 4.1, but I find it a "dangerous thing to do" if there's a real need for it.
Please correct me if not. Thanks again.

Original comment by aironm...@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:51

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update using Pimp My Wii is totally safe (I've updated 3 Wii using PMW and all 
ok)

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 25 Mar 2010 at 5:55

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Daco dude, I have more questions :D

I'm making a wiki of Priiloader in a Spanish website (elotrolado.net), and I 
have
doubts about the purpose of some options (I don't know what they are):
- Stop disc on startup
- Light slot on error

Also, can you explain quickly how to set a password, please? I'm not interested 
on
that so I don't wanna mess up something :p

For now, there are no more questions!

btw, the URL of the wiki is: http://www.elotrolado.net/wiki/Priiloader

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 14 Apr 2010 at 7:21

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the stop disc on startup will stop your wii drive from spinning when you power 
on,
return to system menu or shutdown (eventho shutdown always stops the drive).
the light slot on error will make the wii drive light turn on when an priiloader
error occurs.

as for the password; i dont know. baduncle knows that stuff

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 14 Apr 2010 at 8:13

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thx!! more questions to the wiki :)

is there any "how to" for the password anywhere? if not, never mind...

also, is it true that if you run the installer from bannerbomb/another exploit 
or
from priiloader itself, you don't need any patched IOS at all to install it? or
actually do you need any patched IOS with this way?

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 16 Apr 2010 at 11:18

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that was something i figured out but was soon popped untrue (partly)
you do need a patched ios when run from bannerbomb , but only trucha is needed.
unlike when run from HBC (in that case you need es_Identify+trucha or nand
permissions in ios 36).

and as i said about the password stuff, you'll need to mail baduncle for that. 
i dont
know anything about it

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 17 Apr 2010 at 7:19

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mmm ok, I appreciate your answers :) Can I mail baduncle at 
apps.bad.uncle@gmx.de?

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 1:23

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also, you said when run installer from bannerbomb only trucha is needed... I
understand it is in IOS36, isn't it?

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 1:25

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normally ppl have trucha bug in ios 36, but when using bannerbomb you aren't 
using
ios36 but the ios of the system menu instead (ios 60 or 70 since bannerbomb only
works on 4.0,4.1 & 4.2)
so that ios should have trucha if you are installing priiloader trough 
bannerbomb (or
you can still use cios/ios 249)

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 4:54

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mmm ok, I got it. but as far as I know bannerbomb v1 does work with SM 3.0 and 
above
(except 4.2), and bannerbomb v2 with SM 4.x.

no more questions, Your Honor!! :D thx very much.

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 1:16

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its the other way around
banner bomb v2 is 4.2 only and v1 is 4.0/4.1

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 2:22

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are you sure, dude? check the official website:

http://bannerbomb.qoid.us/

pick a version:
v1 - compatible with Wii Menu version 3.0 - 4.1
v2 - compatible with Wii Menu version 4.2 (only) (but I do know it works in 4.1 
too)

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 2:27

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riiight, so it is 3.0 compatible . ow well

also, i never tried v2 on 4.1; i was always told it didn't work

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 19 Apr 2010 at 5:12

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hey kevin, if i gave you the rights to make wiki's on the svn ; could you post 
some
stuff about bricks so i can remove this issue?

Original comment by dac...@gmail.com on 15 May 2010 at 8:31

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mmm ok, i think i could :)

Original comment by Kevin.Raptor@gmail.com on 15 May 2010 at 9:19

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done and done, have fun :P

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