VT Seed 505970096 - Logic Error - Unwinnable Seed

[Jaylow7]

Unless I'm missing something, there's an issue that makes this unbeatable.

Misery Mire is a crystal dungeon. Entry requires Ether. Ether is in the Mimic cave, requiring completion of part of turtle rock. Cane of Somaria is in Swamp Palace. Flippers are held by Moldorm, but Tower of Hera requires Hookshot + Hammer or Mirror to reach

Mirror requires Hookshot to get (Cape was found during escape):

"Piece of Heart (Dark World - bumper cave)": "Magic Mirror"

Hookshot requires mirror or itself to access:

"[cave-012-1F]Death Mountain - wall of caves - left cave": "Hookshot",

Unless I'm missing something, there's a circular logic error here where Hookshot and Mirror require each other to obtain and are both thus unreachable.

The settings I used are for glitchless. I should not be required to do a bomb jump to get to Mirror.

Full Spoiler Log:

{
    "Light World": {
        "Altar": "Three Bombs",
        "Uncle": "Progressive Sword",
        "[cave-034] Hyrule Castle secret entrance": "Bombos",
        "[cave-018] Graveyard - top right grave": "Bottle (Fairy)",
        "[cave-047] Dam": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-040] Link's House": "Magic Powder",
        "[cave-031] Tavern": "Mushroom",
        "[cave-026] chicken house": "Three Bombs",
        "[cave-044] Aginah's cave": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [left chest]": "Moon Pearl",
        "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [center chest]": "Progressive Shield",
        "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [right chest]": "Fire Rod",
        "[cave-021] Kakariko well [top chest]": "Heart Container",
        "[cave-021] Kakariko well [left chest row of 3]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-021] Kakariko well [center chest row of 3]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-021] Kakariko well [right chest row of 3]": "Heart Container",
        "[cave-021] Kakariko well [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top chest]": "Heart Container",
        "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top left chest]": "Progressive Sword",
        "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom left chest]": "Book Of Mudora",
        "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom right chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Blacksmiths": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-016] cave under rocks west of Santuary": "Three Hundred Rupees",
        "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [bottom left chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [top left chest]": "Shovel",
        "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [bottom right chest]": "Silver Arrows Upgrade",
        "[cave-051] Ice Cave": "Quarter Magic",
        "Bottle Vendor": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "Sahasrahla": "Bomb Upgrade (5)",
        "Magic Bat": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Sick Kid": "Progressive Shield",
        "Purple Chest": "Progressive Sword",
        "Hobo": "Bottle (Fairy)",
        "Bombos Tablet": "Progressive Glove",
        "King Zora": "Bug Catching Net",
        "Piece of Heart (Thieves' Forest Hideout)": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Piece of Heart (Lumberjack Tree)": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (south of Haunted Grove)": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Piece of Heart (Graveyard)": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (Desert - northeast corner)": "Progressive Sword",
        "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia - generous guy": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Library": "Bomb Upgrade (5)",
        "Mushroom": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Witch": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (Maze Race)": "Bomb Upgrade (5)",
        "Piece of Heart (Desert - west side)": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (Lake Hylia)": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Piece of Heart (Dam)": "Bow",
        "Piece of Heart (Zora's River)": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Haunted Grove item": "Twenty Rupees"
    },
    "Escape": {
        "[dungeon-C-1F] Sanctuary": "Heart Container",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [left chest]": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [middle chest]": "Magic Cape",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [right chest]": "Ten Arrows",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - first B1 room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Hyrule Castle - boomerang room": "Arrow",
        "[dungeon-C-B1] Hyrule Castle - map room": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-C-B3] Hyrule Castle - next to Zelda": "Twenty Rupees"
    },
    "Eastern Palace": {
        "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - compass room": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - big chest": "Three Bombs",
        "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - big ball room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - Big key": "Hammer",
        "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - map room": "Heart Container",
        "Heart Container - Armos Knights": "Compass"
    },
    "Desert Palace": {
        "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - big chest": "Key",
        "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Map room": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Small key room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Big key room": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - compass room": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Heart Container - Lanmolas": "One Rupee"
    },
    "Death Mountain": {
        "Ether Tablet": "Quake",
        "Old Mountain Man": "Progressive Glove",
        "Piece of Heart (Spectacle Rock Cave)": "Bomb Upgrade (10)",
        "Piece of Heart (Spectacle Rock)": "Lamp"
    },
    "East Death Mountain": {
        "[cave-012-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - left cave": "Hookshot",
        "[cave-013] Mimic cave (from Turtle Rock)": "Ether",
        "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top left chest]": "Five Rupees",
        "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top left middle chest]": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top right middle chest]": "Progressive Shield",
        "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [bottom chest]": "Ten Arrows",
        "[cave-009-B1] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [left chest]": "Ten Arrows",
        "[cave-009-B1] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [right chest]": "Heart Container",
        "Piece of Heart (Death Mountain - floating island)": "Bomb Upgrade (5)"
    },
    "Tower of Hera": {
        "[dungeon-L3-1F] Tower of Hera - first floor": "Five Rupees",
        "[dungeon-L3-1F] Tower of Hera - freestanding key": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-L3-2F] Tower of Hera - Entrance": "Key",
        "[dungeon-L3-4F] Tower of Hera - 4F [small chest]": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-L3-4F] Tower of Hera - big chest": "Compass",
        "Heart Container - Moldorm": "Flippers"
    },
    "Hyrule Castle Tower": {
        "[dungeon-A1-2F] Hyrule Castle Tower - 2 knife guys room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-A1-3F] Hyrule Castle Tower - maze room": "Key"
    },
    "Dark World": {
        "[cave-055] Spike cave": "Arrow Upgrade (10)",
        "[cave-071] Misery Mire west area [left chest]": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[cave-071] Misery Mire west area [right chest]": "Three Hundred Rupees",
        "[cave-057-1F] Dark World Death Mountain - cave from top to bottom [top chest]": "One Hundred Rupees",
        "[cave-057-1F] Dark World Death Mountain - cave from top to bottom [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [top left chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [bottom left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [bottom right chest]": "Twenty Rupees"
    },
    "North East Dark World": {
        "Catfish": "Five Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (Pyramid)": "Three Hundred Rupees",
        "Pyramid - Sword": "Fighters Sword",
        "Pyramid - Bow": "Bow And Arrows",
        "Pyramid Fairy - Left": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Pyramid Fairy - Right": "Heart Container"
    },
    "North West Dark World": {
        "[cave-063] doorless hut": "Bomb Upgrade (5)",
        "[cave-062] C-shaped house": "Twenty Rupees",
        "Piece of Heart (Treasure Chest Game)": "Pegasus Boots",
        "Piece of Heart (Dark World blacksmith pegs)": "Heart Container",
        "Piece of Heart (Dark World - bumper cave)": "Magic Mirror"
    },
    "South Dark World": {
        "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top chest]": "Flute",
        "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top middle chest]": "Heart Container (refill)",
        "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [bottom middle chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "Flute Boy": "Three Bombs",
        "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace - generous guy": "Progressive Armor",
        "Piece of Heart (Digging Game)": "Bottle (Green Potion)"
    },
    "Palace of Darkness": {
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - big key room": "Three Bombs",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - jump room [right chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - jump room [left chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - big chest": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - compass room": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - spike statue room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - turtle stalfos room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - room leading to Helmasaur [left chest]": "Bomb Upgrade (5)",
        "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - room leading to Helmasaur [right chest]": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - statue push room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - maze room [top chest]": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - maze room [bottom chest]": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - shooter room": "Key",
        "Heart Container - Helmasaur King": "Piece Of Heart"
    },
    "Swamp Palace": {
        "[dungeon-D2-1F] Swamp Palace - first room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - big chest": "Ice Rod",
        "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - big key room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - map room": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - push 4 blocks room": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - south of hookshot room": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - flooded room [left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - flooded room [right chest]": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - hidden waterfall door room": "Cane Of Somaria",
        "Heart Container - Arrghus": "One Rupee"
    },
    "Skull Woods": {
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - big chest": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Big Key room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Compass room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - east of Fire Rod room": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Entrance to part 2": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Gibdo/Stalfos room": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - south of Fire Rod room": "Key",
        "Heart Container - Mothula": "Three Bombs"
    },
    "Thieves Town": {
        "[dungeon-D4-1F] Thieves' Town - Room above boss": "Three Hundred Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom left of huge room [bottom right chest]": "Heart Container",
        "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom left of huge room [top left chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom right of huge room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Top left of huge room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D4-B2] Thieves' Town - big chest": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D4-B2] Thieves' Town - next to Blind": "Dungeon Map",
        "Heart Container - Blind": "Piece Of Heart"
    },
    "Ice Palace": {
        "[dungeon-D5-B1] Ice Palace - Big Key room": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D5-B1] Ice Palace - compass room": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D5-B2] Ice Palace - map room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D5-B3] Ice Palace - spike room": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D5-B4] Ice Palace - above Blue Mail room": "Cane Of Byrna",
        "[dungeon-D5-B5] Ice Palace - b5 up staircase": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D5-B5] Ice Palace - big chest": "Heart Container",
        "Heart Container - Kholdstare": "Key"
    },
    "Misery Mire": {
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big chest": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big hub room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big key": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - compass": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - end of bridge": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - map room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - spike room": "Key",
        "Heart Container - Vitreous": "Three Bombs"
    },
    "Turtle Rock": {
        "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Chain chomp room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - compass room": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Map room [left chest]": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Map room [right chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - big chest": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - big key room": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - Roller switch room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [bottom left chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [bottom right chest]": "Magical Boomerang",
        "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [top left chest]": "Ten Arrows",
        "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [top right chest]": "Three Bombs",
        "Heart Container - Trinexx": "Compass"
    },
    "Ganons Tower": {
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down left staircase from entrance": "Big Key",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [top left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [bottom left chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [bottom right chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [top left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [bottom left chest]": "Key",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [bottom right chest]": "Dungeon Map",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of teleport room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - map room": "Key",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - big chest": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down right staircase from entrance [left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down right staircase from entrance [right chest]": "Three Bombs",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - above Armos": "Five Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - east of down right staircase from entrance": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [top left chest]": "Compass",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [top right chest]": "Three Bombs",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [bottom left chest]": "Bottle (Bee)",
        "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [bottom right chest]": "Twenty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [left chest]": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [right chest]": "Boomerang",
        "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - north of falling floor four torches [top left chest]": "Piece Of Heart",
        "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - north of falling floor four torches [top right chest]": "Fifty Rupees",
        "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - before Moldorm": "Progressive Armor",
        "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - Moldorm room": "Piece Of Heart"
    },
    "Pendants": {
        "Eastern Palace Pendant": "Crystal 6",
        "Desert Palace Pendant": "Pendant Of Courage",
        "Tower of Hera Pendant": "Crystal 1"
    },
    "Crystals": {
        "Palace of Darkness Crystal": "Crystal 4",
        "Swamp Palace Crystal": "Pendant Of Wisdom",
        "Skull Woods Crystal": "Crystal 7",
        "Thieves Town Crystal": "Crystal 3",
        "Ice Palace Crystal": "Crystal 5",
        "Misery Mire Crystal": "Crystal 2",
        "Turtle Rock Crystal": "Pendant Of Power"
    },
    "Medallions": {
        "Turtle Rock Medallion": "Bombos",
        "Misery Mire Medallion": "Ether"
    },
    "Fountains": {
        "Waterfall Bottle": "Bottle (Red Potion)",
        "Pyramid Bottle": "Bottle (Green Potion)"
    },
    "playthrough": {
        "1": {
            "Light World": {
                "Uncle": "Progressive Sword",
                "[cave-034] Hyrule Castle secret entrance": "Bombos",
                "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [left chest]": "Moon Pearl",
                "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [right chest]": "Fire Rod",
                "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top left chest]": "Progressive Sword",
                "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom left chest]": "Book Of Mudora",
                "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [bottom right chest]": "Silver Arrows Upgrade",
                "Piece of Heart (Dam)": "Bow"
            },
            "Eastern Palace": {
                "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - Big key": "Hammer"
            }
        },
        "2": {
            "Dark World": {
                "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top chest]": "Flute"
            },
            "Eastern Palace": {
                "Eastern Palace Pendant": "Crystal 6"
            }
        },
        "3": {
            "Death Mountain": {
                "Old Mountain Man": "Progressive Glove"
            }
        },
        "4": {
            "Hyrule Castle": {
                "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [middle chest]": "Magic Cape"
            },
            "Dark World": {
                "Piece of Heart (Treasure Chest Game)": "Pegasus Boots"
            },
            "Skull Woods": {
                "Skull Woods Crystal": "Crystal 7"
            },
            "Thieves Town": {
                "Thieves Town Crystal": "Crystal 3"
            }
        },
        "5": {
            "Dark World": {
                "Piece of Heart (Dark World - bumper cave)": "Magic Mirror"
            }
        },
        "6": {
            "Light World": {
                "Bombos Tablet": "Progressive Glove"
            },
            "Death Mountain": {
                "Piece of Heart (Spectacle Rock)": "Lamp",
                "[cave-012-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - left cave": "Hookshot"
            },
            "Tower Of Hera": {
                "Heart Container - Moldorm": "Flippers",
                "Tower of Hera Pendant": "Crystal 1"
            }
        },
        "7": {
            "Light World": {
                "Piece of Heart (Desert - northeast corner)": "Progressive Sword"
            },
            "Swamp Palace": {
                "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - hidden waterfall door room": "Cane Of Somaria"
            },
            "Dark Palace": {
                "Palace of Darkness Crystal": "Crystal 4"
            }
        },
        "8": {
            "Death Mountain": {
                "[cave-013] Mimic cave (from Turtle Rock)": "Ether"
            },
            "Ice Palace": {
                "Ice Palace Crystal": "Crystal 5"
            }
        },
        "9": {
            "Misery Mire": {
                "Misery Mire Crystal": "Crystal 2"
            }
        },
        "longest_item_chain": 9,
        "regions_visited": 19
    },
    "meta": {
        "difficulty": "normal",
        "logic": "no-glitches-19",
        "seed": 505970096,
        "build": "2017-04-15",
        "mode": "standard"
    }
}

[BlueViper85]

If the seed was generated via the newer web system any issue should be reported via that page's Report Issue feature. If it were generated in this application the seed would start with a C or G depending on the mode and would have fewer numbers. This ensures the proper people see this for resolution since development is handled by another developer.

But looking at this, you can walk along the edge of the pit along the left-side wall as opposed to using the Hookshot to access it. Just hug the wall around he corner and change from holding left along the wall to hold up+left diagonal as you round the corner until you reach the other side. This gives you the mirror which you can then use to get the hook shot and proceed.

I am closing this issue. Should this not actually solve your issue please open this on the appropriate issues page.

[Jaylow7]

closing cause apparently it is possible, just undoable with my controller.