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Install antivirus software on all the DoES Liverpool computers #1583

Open JackiePease opened 3 years ago

JackiePease commented 3 years ago

Split out from #1582

MatthewCroughan commented 3 years ago

There is no practical benefit to this. Commercial antivirus software is not beneficial today.

Of the systems that they are currently installed on, they provide no benefit and at worst slow the system down, as well as pop up annoyingly.

Windows 7 and 10 come with Windows Defender preinstalled which does not do this. Commercial antiviruses are a corporate marketing scam in 2021. It doesn't matter whether or not they are free.

Why do we allow users to modify the systems anyway?

Instead, we should be making the systems immutable. Immutable systems means that the system returns to a known state on reboot. If the user installs some piece of software that is not supposed to be there, it will be gone the next time the system restarts.

Google for "Immutable system" if still confused. It's a simple concept.

In this model there is no need for antivirus anyway, since the bad software the user installs will be gone the next time the system reboots. Ideally the user would not be able to add or remove software onto the systems, as this is what causes breakage in the first place.

seanspotatobusiness commented 3 years ago

Should this line "Windows 7 and 10 come with Windows Defender preinstalled which does not do this. " read "Windows 7 and 10 come with Windows Defender preinstalled which does this." ?

On Monday, 21 Jun, 18:18, wrote:

There is no practical benefit to this. Commercial antivirus software is not beneficial today. Windows 7 and 10 come with Windows Defender preinstalled which does not do this. Commercial antiviruses are a corporate marketing scam in 2021. It doesn't matter whether or not they are free. Of the systems that they are currently installed on, they provide no benefit and at worst slow the system down, as well as pop up annoyingly. Why do we allow users to modify the systems anyway? Instead, we should be making the systems immutable. Immutable systems means that the system returns to a known state on reboot. If the user installs some piece of software that is not supposed to be there, it will be gone the next time the system restarts. Google for "Immutable system" if still confused. It's a simple concept. In this model there is no need for antivirus anyway, since the bad software the user installs will be gone the next time the system reboots. Ideally the user would not be able to add or remove software onto the systems, as this is what causes breakage in the first place. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/DoESLiverpool/somebody-should/issues/1583#issuecomment-865209186

MatthewCroughan commented 3 years ago

@seanspotatobusiness I edited the comment on Github, which you will not be able to see since you are using email. I was referring to the annoying popups present in many commercial antivirus'.

JackiePease commented 3 years ago

Is this the case with Ubuntu Linux?

MatthewCroughan commented 3 years ago

@JackiePease

Is this the case with Ubuntu Linux?

What bit of my comments is this referencing? Linux distributions don't come with an antivirus as there is no real need for one in case this is what you're asking.

Wikipedia surprisingly has some good details on what I'm talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus_software#Issues_of_concern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus_software#Performance_and_other_drawbacks