DreamSourceLab / DSView

An open source multi-function instrument for everyone
www.dreamsourcelab.com
GNU General Public License v3.0
1.13k stars 417 forks source link

Only Signs on in demo Mode #781

Closed monahanz closed 5 months ago

monahanz commented 5 months ago

Got a new unit. It only signs in as a demo even though I have the USB3 cable connected. What do I do next?

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz What is your operation system? If it is linux, please pull the latest code from branch master.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

No it’s standard Windows 10.

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 6:03 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz What is your operation system? If it is linux, please pull the latest code from branch master.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2164162050 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVSH72VS6QAZBYLSADLZHDVSZAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNRUGE3DEMBVGA . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVVWWUIUPI36ZB6DBELZHDVSZA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUA7Z7AE.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Are you using the verssion v1.3.2? Check the device manager to see if you have seen the device please.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

The version number is V1.3.2

It was a download about 3 weeks old.

The device shows up in the device manager. See the attached picture

The units LED is red not green BTW.

John

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:55 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Are you using the verssion v1.3.2? Check the device manager to see if you have seen the device please.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2164486218 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVW5GO4PFMBUM4FDHELZHEX4NAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNRUGQ4DMMRRHA . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVRZAXLSVJBPM5JWY23ZHEX4NA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBANYEU.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Can you provide the log for us? At the boolbar menu: Help->Log Options. Setting as: Log level 3, Save to file. Then restart DSView, and connect the device.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

I did that but there is no option to access the file!!

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 5:58 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Can you provide the log for us? At the boolbar menu: Help->Log Options. Setting as: Log level 3, Save to file. Then restart DSView, and connect the device.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2167024936 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVQ6GF5D4P5JEOYRX7TZHI5Z3AVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNRXGAZDIOJTGY . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVQGKFR7KHXQAZO3NGDZHI5Z3A5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBFIWSQ.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz image image

monahanz commented 5 months ago

OK got the following file:-

DSView: Set log level: 3

DSView: ----------------- version: 1.3.2-----------------

DSView: Qt:5.14.1

DSView: 2024-06-16 19:24:44

DSView: GetAppDataDir:"C:/Program Files/DSView"

DSView: GetFirmwareDir:"C:/Program Files/DSView/res"

DSView: GetUserDataDir:"C:/Users/John Monahan/AppData/Roaming/DreamSourceLab/DSView"

DSView: GetDecodeScriptDir:"C:/Program Files/DSView/decoders"

sr: lib_main: Init libsigrok.

sr: lib_main: Scan all connected hardware device.

sr: dslogic: Scan DSLogic device...

sr: dslogic: scan: Failed to call libusb_get_device_list(), it returns a null list.

sr: dscope: Scan DSCope device...

sr: dscope: scan: Failed to call libusb_get_device_list(), it returns a null list.

sr: backend: Register hotplug callback.

sr: lib_main: Hotplug thread start!

srd: Failed to load decoder sdcard_spi: import by name failed:SyntaxError:invalid syntax (pd.py, line 234).

srd: Traceback (most recent call last):

File "C:/Program Files/DSView/decoders\sdcard_spi__init__.py", line 68, in

from .pd import Decoder

File "C:/Program Files/DSView/decoders\sdcard_spi\pd.py", line 234

self.putc(Ann.CMD24, 'Write a block to address {$}', self.arg))

                                                              ^

SyntaxError: invalid syntax

DSView: Set default device.

sr: lib_main: Start activating device.

sr: lib_main: Activating device name: "Demo Device".

sr: lib_main: To open device, name:"Demo Device"

sr: lib_main: Activating device end.

DSView: Switch to device "Demo Device" done.

DSView: Update device list.

DSView: Update rate list.

DSView: Update sample count list.

DSView: Read region info, x:220, y:74, w:1366, h:1040, isMax:0

DSView: Last display:\.\DISPLAY1

DSView: Screen name:\.\DISPLAY1, region, left:0, top:0, width:3840, height:1560

DSView: Screen name:\.\DISPLAY2, region, left:0, top:-1440, width:3440, height:1440

DSView: Restore, screen:\.\DISPLAY1, x:0, y:0, w:3840, h:1560

DSView: Normal region, x:220, y:74, w:1366, h:1040

DSView: Init form, x:220, y:74, w:1367, h:1041, k:1

DSView: WM_MOVE: get a monitor, handle:10001, x:0, y:0, w:3840, h:1600

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 5:56 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz image.png (view on web) https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/assets/91596714/b7c47def-6531-498d-b7e6-00d96236b76e image.png (view on web) https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/assets/91596714/37981a67-f961-4bda-b355-7a2d1dd74f4d

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2171979851 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVWHVNPFLUWAP44PC5LZHYX2PAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZRHE3TSOBVGE . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVTVG7MCWWJLQ6YBXKDZHYX2PA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBOXEEW.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Why not see the device attach event at the log? Have you connected the device before got the log data?

monahanz commented 5 months ago

Don’t understand your first question (English?).

Yes the device is connected before I get log data

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:52 AM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Why not see the device attach event at the log? Have you connected the device before got the log data?

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2172722983 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVWYVTIPDECQLWGTFMTZH2PSLAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZSG4ZDEOJYGM . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVSQOWC7E6UVA7SG62DZH2PSLA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBQEPSO.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Have you installed any special drivers? From the log, it appears that the USB device list obtained by DSView is empty.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

No special drivers. I just downloaded from your web site.

What do I do to uninstall and try again.

John

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:12 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Have you installed any special drivers? From the log, it appears that the USB device list obtained by DSView is empty.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2174719382 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVQZ4G7ALWMJ6MKVEH3ZH6CONAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZUG4YTSMZYGI . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVV5BXETT5CQ73QC7O3ZH6CONA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBT6KZM.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz I am not referring to device drivers, but to some third-party drivers or software, such as serial port conversion software.

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Another question, please upload a screenshot of the device list in the Device Manager.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

First there are no extra/special serial devices connected. Attached are the screen shots you suggested.

BTW I uninstalled the DSView program from this computer (Windows10) and reinstalled it. Still comes up in demo mode.

I installed it on a laptop here (Windows11) it came up in working mode but said it was a USB 2 connection. It’s in fact a USB 3 connection!

Running it on a laptop is not practical for me.

John

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 12:58 AM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Another question, please upload a screenshot of the device list in the Device Manager.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2175448067 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVR4TFH4GVHUVXGIM6DZH7SBVAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZVGQ2DQMBWG4 . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVRTVWYXU47YOPSCGOTZH7SBVA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBVK2AG.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz If the device is USB 3.0, but your USB port is 2.0, then the connection is 2.0. The reverse is the same.

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz I can't open the attachment file of your screenshot. Please paste the screenshot to here.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

I dragged an drop them into this Outlook e-mail you sent

John Monahan

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:17 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz I can't open the attachment file of your screenshot. Please paste the screenshot to here.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2177340938 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVVSC65S3X26T4XVD73ZIDLXVAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZXGM2DAOJTHA . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVXMIHAFW3TU7XHJO5DZIDLXVA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBY6LAU.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

monahanz commented 5 months ago

Here are the images directly inserted in the text

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:17 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz I can't open the attachment file of your screenshot. Please paste the screenshot to here.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2177340938 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVVSC65S3X26T4XVD73ZIDLXVAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZXGM2DAOJTHA . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVXMIHAFW3TU7XHJO5DZIDLXVA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBY6LAU.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

monahanz commented 5 months ago

I forgot to add the “Details” popup box

From: John Monahan @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:44 PM To: 'DreamSourceLab/DSView' @.> Subject: RE: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

Here are the images directly inserted in the text

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @. @.> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:17 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @. @.> > Cc: monahanz @. @.> >; Mention @. @.> > Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz I can't open the attachment file of your screenshot. Please paste the screenshot to here.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2177340938 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVVSC65S3X26T4XVD73ZIDLXVAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZXGM2DAOJTHA . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVXMIHAFW3TU7XHJO5DZIDLXVA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBY6LAU.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz Please login to GitHub and upload the screenshot.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

Where on GitHub?

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 7:09 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz Please login to GitHub and upload the screenshot.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2177390384 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVUG3X2XJZ6NPYMOJVTZIDR33AVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZXGM4TAMZYGQ . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVSND4CYXOVWZ5CXQVDZIDR33A5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBZBLTA.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

dreamsource-tai commented 5 months ago

@monahanz https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781 image Don't send the screenshot pictures by email client, we won't be able to see them.

monahanz commented 5 months ago

DS Capture 1 DS Capture 2 DS Capture 3 DS Capture 4 DS Capture 5 DSView.log

Here are the logs

monahanz commented 5 months ago

Here are the logs

monahanz commented 5 months ago

I sent the pictures to the GitHub below (view it on GitHub)

John Monahan

From: dreamsourcelabTAI @.> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 11:32 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

@monahanz https://github.com/monahanz

781 https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/assets/91596714/8d37df30-143a-4e5b-a0d3-6a15d658ce1d Don't send pictures through the email client, we won't be able to see them.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2177853219 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVS5WNMQZE4S2TWD5DTZIEQU7AVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDCNZXHA2TGMRRHE . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVW5MHUO6Z5CT7M3HHLZIEQU7A5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUBZ5TSG.gif Message ID: @. @.> >

twilkie12 commented 1 month ago

I am having exactly the same issue and can't figure out why this issue has been closed as as far as I can see there is no resolution here. @dreamsource-tai can you please help me with this.

Information on my issue I am on Win10, DSView v1.3.2, DSLogic plus. Driver setup for the device in device manager is identical to what is shown here. In Zadig the driver for the device is WinUSB (v6.1.7600.16385).

When I start up DSView and then plug in the device I get this output to the logs:

sr: hwdriver: ds_scan_all_device_list: Failed to call libusb_get_device_list(), it returns a null list.
sr: lib_main: Not found attached device.
sr: lib_main: hotplug_event_listen_callback(), the device handle is null.

And the status LED on the device remains red.

I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling DSView and there was no change in behaviour.

I dual booted into Ubuntu, build DSView from source and everything works as expected so it is not a hardware issue.

Edit: After a bit of playing around, uninstalling device, restarting, reinstalling DSView etc.

If I restart the computer then the first time I start DSView then if the device is plugged in or hot plugged after starting the program then everything works as expected. If I unplug and re-plug the device it is consistently detected and the program works correctly. However the issue above is still persistent, if I leave the device plugged in and detected in DSView then restarting DSView will sometimes continue to work with the DSPlus device detected and available in the software. However; un-plugging the DSPlus device and then closing/re-opening DSView consistently means that I can no longer get the device detected, and I am back in the state described above with the only way to recover being a full restart of the system. Restarting the DSView program has no effect, replugging the hardware makes no difference, hot-plugging doesn't help, etc. Again, the only way I've found to recover from this state is a full reset.

monahanz commented 1 month ago

I never did get that fixed!

John M

From: twilkie12 @.> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024 10:08 PM To: DreamSourceLab/DSView @.> Cc: monahanz @.>; Mention @.> Subject: Re: [DreamSourceLab/DSView] Only Signs on in demo Mode (Issue #781)

I am having exactly the same issue and can't figure out why this issue has been closed as as far as I can see there is no resolution here. @dreamsource-tai https://github.com/dreamsource-tai can you please help me with this.

Information on my issue I am on Win10, DSView v1.3.2, DSLogic plus. Driver setup for the device in device manager is identical to what is shown here https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2190381457 . In Zadig the driver for the device is WinUSB (v6.1.7600.16385).

When I start up DSView and then plug in the device I get this output to the logs:

sr: hwdriver: ds_scan_all_device_list: Failed to call libusb_get_device_list(), it returns a null list. sr: lib_main: Not found attached device. sr: lib_main: hotplug_event_listen_callback(), the device handle is null.

And the status LED on the device remains red.

I have tried uninstalling/reinstalling DSView and there was no change in behaviour.

I dual booted into Ubuntu, build DSView from source and everything works as expected so it is not a hardware issue.

— Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/DreamSourceLab/DSView/issues/781#issuecomment-2428266671 , or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AD3TWVXOGRIRYIPHXTSR6QTZ4XMRPAVCNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDIMRYGI3DMNRXGE . You are receiving this because you were mentioned. https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AD3TWVRO2NRJPR3ZTMVV33TZ4XMRPA5CNFSM6AAAAABJG4H4LCWGG33NNVSW45C7OR4XAZNMJFZXG5LFINXW23LFNZ2KUY3PNVWWK3TUL5UWJTUQXRUK6.gif Message ID: @. @.> >