shift+space in "ro" locale

[shunlog]

I noticed shift+space didn't work in the "ro" locale (instead of "space", xev showed a "NoSymbol"), so I copied this line from the "us" locale and it's working now.

[DreymaR]

If that happens in the Ro locale, it may happen in all locales? I wonder what you used. Did you use the KS or US variant? Did you use Extend with it?

The colemak_ed layouts define Space like you did, so why it shouldn't work is beyond me.

[shunlog]

So what I want is for Shift+Space to be mapped to space, which is obtained with key <SPCE> { [space, space,....

I'm using ro(cmk_ed_ks), and in it Shift+Space isn't mapped to anything. Tried to look into other layouts with *_ks to see how they get key <SPCE> { [space, space,..., but it's such a mess with includes. For example, ru(cmk_ed_ks) gets it from pl(basic) which defined it, while ca(cmk_ed_ks) gets it from ca(multi) which includes ca(fr) which in turn defined it. From the few I tested, al(cmk_ed_ks) and be(cmk_ed_ks) don't have Shift+Space either.

I think the main problem is that the line key <SPCE> { [space, space,... should be included from colemak(cmk_ed_symbols), while most _ks layouts include only colemak(cmk_ed_letters). Maybe the line key <SPCE> { [space, space,... should be in colemak(cmk_ed_letters) rather than colemak(cmk_ed_symbols)?

[DreymaR]

Yes, I see the problem. Even though it isn't really Colemak's fault, some layouts have been sloppy with their Space definitions.

I don't really recommend the ks layouts as they're tacked-together half-solutions, but ... if you must, you must.

So yes, I should think about how to ensure a working Space key for you guys.

best, Øystein "DreymaR"

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 20:00 shunlog @.***> wrote:

So what I want is for Shift+Space to be mapped to space, which is obtained with key { [space, space,....

I'm using ro(cmk_ed_ks), and in it Shift+Space isn't mapped to anything. Tried to look into other layouts with *_ks to see how they get key { [space, space,..., but it's such a mess with includes. For example, ru(cmk_ed_ks) gets it from pl(basic) which defined it, while ca(cmk_ed_ks) gets it from ca(multi) which includes ca(fr) which in turn defined it. From the few I tested, al(cmk_ed_ks) and be(cmk_ed_ks) don't have Shift+Space either.

I think the main problem is that the line key { [space, space,... should be included from colemak(cmk_ed_symbols), while most _ks layouts include only colemak(cmk_ed_letters). Maybe the line key { [space, space,... should be in colemak(cmk_ed_letters) rather than colemak(cmk_ed_symbols)?

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[shunlog]

What's the alternative to using _ks_ layouts?

[DreymaR]

The alternative is the _eD layouts. They're designed for good symbol and special letter mappings, and lots of dead keys for accents etc etc.