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Revisit several reference pressure-related standard names #15

Open grantfirl opened 3 years ago

grantfirl commented 3 years ago

There may be redundancy with the following variables:

reference_pressure reference_pressure_at_surface base_state_surface_pressure_for_hybrid_vertical_coordinate

Recall that "reference_pressure" is already in the CF standards and is described as "A constant pressure value, typically representative of mean sea level pressure, which can be used in defining coordinates or functions of state."

CF standards also have a variable called "reference_air_pressure_for_atmosphere_vertical_coordinate" which they describe as "For models using a dimensionless vertical coordinate, for example, sigma, hybrid sigma-pressure or eta, the values of the vertical coordinate at the model levels are calculated relative to a reference level. 'Reference air pressure' is the air pressure at the model reference level. It is a model-dependent constant."

None of these are currently used in UFS-based physics, so we'd like to understand how the original 3 variables differ and whether we should use existing CF standard names or try to construct something more specific for CCPP. From my point of view, all 3 of them could be combined into what CF describes as "reference_pressure".

To the extent that all 3 are needed, we need to clarify how they differ and sync up with what CF has.

gold2718 commented 2 years ago

For the CESM atmosphere model, we prefer reference_pressure, used in a manner consistent with the CF description. We also need a standard name for the global average pressure, we suggest global_mean_sea_level_pressure or possibly global_average_sea_level_pressure to avoid the collision with the CF definition of mean_sea_level (the time mean of sea surface elevation at a given location over an arbitrary period sufficient to eliminate the tidal signals). I think this is different from the CF name, air_pressure_at_mean_sea_level which does not seem to imply a global mean.

ligiabernardet commented 2 years ago

@cacraigucar @gold2718 Should variables reference_pressure_at_surface and base_state_surface_pressure_for_hybrid_vertical_coordinate be removed from the dictionary? They are not used in the https://github.com/NCAR/ccpp-physics. Would that resolve the original problem raised in this issue?

gold2718 commented 2 years ago

Both of these are used in the CESM atmosphere model.