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Matt, are you getting ice concentrations above 1.0? I am. It's going above 2.5 for me in the Bering domain.
Here's the value of part_size for some point that both SIS2 and Icepack are complaining about. Negative ocean fraction!
Matt, are you getting ice concentrations above 1.0? I am. It's going above 2.5 for me in the Bering domain.
Kate, I only have enough OBC/river data to do a single day test. No errors reported within day 1. At what point in the run does this appear for you?
0, 734501.000, 0, Area 1.1214373381347363E+12 0.0000000000000000E+00, Ext 1.2228E+12 0.0000E+00, CFL 0.240, M 7.01969E+14 0.00000E+00, Enth -2.52040E+20 0.00000E+00, S 2.9410 0.0000, Me 0.00E+00, Te 0.00E+00, Se 0.00E+00
6, 734501.250, 0, Area 1.1132647984668135E+12 0.0000000000000000E+00, Ext 1.2280E+12 0.0000E+00, CFL 0.197, M 7.06922E+14 0.00000E+00, Enth -2.53833E+20 0.00000E+00, S 2.9416 0.0000, Me -7.75E-18, Te -1.98E-07, Se -9.55E-18
12, 734501.500, 0, Area 1.1114046213255344E+12 0.0000000000000000E+00, Ext 1.2264E+12 0.0000E+00, CFL 0.124, M 7.12079E+14 0.00000E+00, Enth -2.55647E+20 0.00000E+00, S 2.9423 0.0000, Me 3.48E-18, Te -1.86E-07, Se -5.56E-18
18, 734501.750, 0, Area 1.1143215648800378E+12 0.0000000000000000E+00, Ext 1.2254E+12 0.0000E+00, CFL 0.178, M 7.17263E+14 0.00000E+00, Enth -2.57444E+20 0.00000E+00, S 2.9430 0.0000, Me 4.12E-18, Te -1.64E-07, Se 4.96E-18
24, 734502.000, 0, Area 1.1112426645431003E+12 0.0000000000000000E+00, Ext 1.2233E+12 0.0000E+00, CFL 0.210, M 7.22373E+14 0.00000E+00, Enth -2.59196E+20 0.00000E+00, S 2.9436 0.0000, Me 1.87E-18, Te -1.91E-07, Se 4.76E-18
I am starting from a restart in late December, once some ice has formed. I'm getting the errors pretty much right away. Raf and Bob have an OBC file that goes through all of January. Can you ask them for it?
I am also starting with initial conditions from 12/31/2011. Adjusted the date to 1/1/2012 and now able to run a 10 day test.
I get 3 warnings from icepack starting around day 7
(ridge_shift) Ridging error: aice0 < 0 (ridge_shift)aice0: -2.7386816669912480E-005 (icepack_warnings_aborted) ... (ridge_ice) (ridge_shift) Ridging error: aice0 < 0 (ridge_shift)aice0: -2.2426003967072654E-005 (icepack_warnings_aborted) ... (ridge_ice) (ridge_shift) Ridging error: aice0 < 0 (ridge_shift)aice0: -2.0057528930384004E-005 (icepack_warnings_aborted) ... (ridge_ice)
This is the state of that same point before the first call to ice_ridging:
chinook03.rcs.alaska.edu 202% git branch
Applied a re-normalization of part sizes after call to ridge_ice necessitated by small residual excess cover.
P.S. - Have you tried switching to higher order thickness advection and continuity in SIS2? Doing so gave much thicker ice in my tests (5x max).
I have not tried other advection schemes - good idea.
The ice fraction larger than one is not in the restart file. It is happening in ice_cat_transport, where m_ice started as 72.3 and goes to 73.6 while mh_ice started at 73.44 and goes to 72.94. The part_size array then gets filled in in the call to cell_ave_state_to_ice_state. In single-category ice models, you advect everything, then bring ice concentration back to 1.0 or less by brute force. @Hallberg-NOAA would know how SIS2 does it.
OK, so the ice concentration greater than one is a cue to the ridging scheme to ridge. I'm still getting some small amount of ice concentrations over 1.0, but just barely so.
Yes. I was seeing values O(10^-5) after calling ridging. I re-normalized before applying back to the ice state and that fixes the issue in my tests with no loss in precision.
https://github.com/MJHarrison-GFDL/SIS2/blob/Icepack/src/ice_ridge.F90#L447
Hi,
The "old Russian scheme" that SIS2 was using for ridging just compresses (and thickens) the ice starting with the thinnest categories as a crude form of ridging, but it is very effective at resetting the concentrations back to 1. If the IcePack ridging scheme is close to doing the job but does not always give values less than 1, maybe we could consider applying the "old Russian scheme" after the physically based IcePack ridging to clean up these small overshoots.
Bob Hallberg
Dr. Robert Hallberg Oceanographer NOAA Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
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Yes. I was seeing values O(10^-5) after calling ridging. I re-normalized before applying back to the ice state and that fixes the issue in my tests with no loss in precision.
https://github.com/MJHarrison-GFDL/SIS2/blob/Icepack/src/ice_ridge.F90#L447
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