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Sky (Seiryu, Suzaku, Genbu, Faust, Despot etc.) severely undertuned. Ulli's regen is too high. #2083

Closed PoppaPip closed 3 years ago

PoppaPip commented 5 years ago

Hi! I'm afraid all I really have here is anecdotal, but figured I'd throw it out there and see if anyone else has better evidence.

All gods seem to have significantly lower resistance here than in retail. You can land bind with 95% accuracy on Seiryu without merits or amazing gear. They also appear to have far lower regain here than retail.

Seiryu specifically I have never seen cast Silencega or Blink, which he should have.

Faust's movespeed seems much lower here than retail.

Ullikummi's regen here is higher than Poison2/Bio2 stacked, and I used to solo him easily in retail with just those two spells.

Thanks! Like I said, other than youtube videos, my personal recollections, and https://belkinator.livejournal.com/2591.html which was my bible back in the day I'm afraid I don't have the stats etc. for any of this. So, grain of salt.

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greyenvy commented 5 years ago

I concur that Ulli's regen is a tad higher than I recollect. It was definitely a solo job by rdm/nin in era. I cannot see how that's possible here.

Not sure on Faust. Almost always pull him with carby or flee and never watch his move speed.

Not sure on the other stuff personally. Before this past month it had been at least 13 years since I killed any of the sky gods.

Oyaziiiiiii commented 5 years ago

Some seiryu videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUKMJ1nvyAw&t=159s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwlBgAbWfw

I didn't watch the entire videos but I didn't see any silencega casts. It should cast Blink and Gravity though. Gravity cast at 2:12, Blink cast at 3:05. I don't believe it casts either of these on Eden but correct me if I'm wrong.

Slamm21 commented 5 years ago

I used to solo Ulli all the time on rdm and before I bothered with Bio 3, Bio2 + poison 2 definitely beat his regen.

Slamm21 commented 5 years ago

I couldn't remember Seiryu ever casting silencega when I used to solo, but wanted to check and make sure. https://belkinator.livejournal.com/3049.html He does radiant breath, definitely mentions there about blink though. Seiryu here silences me all the time with the breath when tanking at least.

PoppaPip commented 5 years ago

Hmmm it's possible Silencega could just be me misremembering Radiant Breath. Watching those videos linked also shows how much higher his regain was.

Balrahn commented 4 years ago

The problem with adding a bug like this with so many NMs is that it will never get done. Nobody wants to start working on something this big. I suggest closing this and adding seperate bugs for each NM. Starting with Ulli! Lol.

59blargedy commented 3 years ago

resolved december 7 update, though please post a followup report if issues remain.