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Dynamis - NIN mobs 2hr'ing too early and hitting too hard #2207

Closed roriffxi closed 1 year ago

roriffxi commented 4 years ago

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Since the exploit patch, NIN mobs will use their 2hrs at 56-57% hp every single time and do 900-1400 damage with them.

This had been fixed at one point in the past but looks like it was reverted.

roriffxi commented 4 years ago

https://github.com/EdenServer/community/issues/282

Slamm21 commented 4 years ago

I too have noticed this. They seem to always do it at around 56% and never lower. It should be a random chance more deadly if it does sooner than later at lower hp.

Volkaru commented 4 years ago

I was one shot with Mijin during Dynamis Bastok as a galka with shell IV on. It used it around 40%. It did over 1300 damage.

Slamm21 commented 4 years ago

I've been 1 shot on rdm with shell iv and stoneskin up, never happened on retail.

ShiyoKozuki commented 4 years ago

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mijin_Gakure Damage dealt by this job ability is directly proportional to current player HP and potentially Magic Attack Bonus

It seems to be doing nearly 100% of your current hp, so it's probably doing nearly 100% of mobs current HP. It's intended to do 50% of your current HP(and probably monsters). Shiyo_2019 12 26_021932 Screenshot is naked NIN/WHM with no MAB

Version 30181205_0

These screenshots are taken from an older database of the Eden(Also NIN75/WHM 37 naked) but it also shows mijin gakure ignoring MDT. Tested on an enemy with +MDT and -MDT, damage stayed the exact same(nearly 100% of my current hp) It's also STILL doing 100% of my current HP instead of 50% even at lower HP values.

It's supposed to be reduced by MDT, as stated here: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mijin_Gakure?oldid=363443 Damage from Mijin Gakure is reduced by -Magic Damage Taken gear and Shell, but not by Magic Defense Bonus Shiyo_2019 12 26_032832 Shiyo_2019 12 26_034007

Oyaziiiiiii commented 4 years ago

Mijin Gakure is still super deadly. Even a 5% mijin(especially in sandy) can still wipe out an entire taru blm pt. If it blows up near 60%, even the non tarus are at risk. #savethetarus

Balrahn commented 4 years ago

Been searching youtube for nin mobs using 2hr. These videos are between 2006 and 2009. All show the nin mobs doing around 100-300dmg ish at low health. In some rare cases up to 500dmg. Not all here is era, but not much changed in this period anyways in regards to damage dealt from mobs in dynamis.

Anyways. Conclusion is that Mijin Gakure from mobs in dynamis are way off, and needs to be nerfed greatly. (The last two vids are 2006)

https://www.facebook.com/chris.matney/videos/122479054436985/ Check Mijin Gakure at 1:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syNd3YGAN3Y

1:30 and 2:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3xsTO13V0Q

0:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whMSOdj_oew

1:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbL8eZub_Fc

2:29

Mozzy4Ever commented 4 years ago

Still seems a bit OP yea. In Dynamis - Beaucedine, brought Mi'Rhe Whisperblade (A Quadav NIN NM) low enough that a 76 damage drain killed it. It's 2hr did ~650 damage with Shell 2 (~14% MDef) on. The April 18th patch notes mentioned: "The magic accuracy of the following monster abilities has been adjusted: - Gregale Wing

and I vaguely remember it not being as hard hitting after that, but seems like maybe something got undone? Will do some testing to see if it's ignoring MDef again.

FariskaEden commented 4 years ago

Ninja mobs in Dynamis generally seem to Mijin Gakure when they reach 25% and below from what I found when testing on retail. Unsure if this would be the same for Ninja NMs. https://i.gyazo.com/402914443af48e4df49bfdbc2bd970bc.mp4 (ignore the large damage on the automaton it's level 49) https://i.gyazo.com/d279cbd438672f46f3f7459bcf422017.mp4 https://i.gyazo.com/af3b88164020e029b8250f42fb3dec14.mp4

59blargedy commented 1 year ago

pretty sure various patches have resolved this from multiple angles, timing's been fixed for years. can post a new ticket if damage still seems off