Zhayolm Remnants 2F NE Draco Lizards drop table.

[Lilswitche]

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Received a single Virga Cell drop (Rings) from a Draco Lizard. Undulatus/Virga Cells in this room should always 2 cells at a a time when they do drop.

Wiki page also mentions it should drop in sets of 2. https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Zhayolm_Remnants

KnowOne capture for reference: https://youtu.be/JRbnmgcsNjw?t=1859

Bluegartr post that mentions that Rings/Ranged can only drop in pairs. A couple posts later another person mentions how their group got screwed by only have 1 pair of Rings and 1 pair of Ranged cells drop without getting a Ring/Ranged from the starter chest.

[Lilswitche]

Did another Zhayolm run and we got a single undulatus drop from a Draco Lizard as well - it's not just Virga Cells that need adjusting.

Also, FFXI DB for Draco Lizard has a about a 1:1 ratio between Cirrocumulus and Virga+Undulatus cells combined. e.g. For every 8 Cirrocumulus from Draco Lizards, on average you would see 4 Undulatus and 4 Virga. The drop data on FFXIDB points to the drop slot for Cirrocumulus and Virga cells being 100%, even though KO's capture clearly had a Draco lizard that didn't have that drop slot activate.

[Lilswitche]

Looking at the table data for Draco Lizard it will include both the NE and SE rooms for sample size. If we localize the Cirrocumulus cell data alone (36926), that should be the number of NE Draco Lizards killed; we then see that Undulatus and Virga Cells combined account for 19517 + 19196 = 38713 drops out of approximately 36926 kills. Knowing that the Cirrocumulus are not subject to TH where the Virga/Undulatus might be, it implies that the rarity category for Virga/Undulatus should be 'Common', as Very Common would be too high, and Uncommon would be too low to match these numbers.

Also, The TH + TH2 numbers for both of the cells also point to a Common rarity.

With respect to the drops being subject to Treasure Hunter, as we know the Cirrocumulus cells are garunteed drops and this is reflected in the ffxidb data as the drop rates are roughly the same based on the level of Treasure Hunter.

Whereas with Undulatus and Virga, we see a clear increase of drop % from TH0 to TH2/TH3+.

[Goutan]

Just to add to this - here are the cell drops from the capture video from that room:

Lizards Cirro: 8 Virga: 6 Undu: 2 Mamool Cirro: 2

[Garphilius]

The capture video by KnowOne show the cell drops:

Lizards Cirro: 8 Virga: 2 Undu: 2

Mamool Cirro: 2

Currently on Eden, Virga and Undu are only dropping singles, not in pairs how it should be. This is making popping 3 Pathos NM on the later floor almost impossible.

We have now done ZR about 5 times and we are also noticing this pattern from NE as stated by Lilswitche.

[Slamm21]

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/42012-Salvage-Zhayolm-Remnants?p=1906089&viewfull=1#post1906089

comments here show unless you had rather bad luck you never had an issue getting enough rings/ranged to pop the floor 5 frog.

[Raphtalia1]

https://youtu.be/I9xJ8y8UYB8?t=507

NO TH

4 Rings (dropped in doubles) 2 Ranged (dropped in doubles)

[Slamm21]

https://youtu.be/I9xJ8y8UYB8?t=534 in raphs video, notice the Savant drops 4 cells https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Zhayolm_Remnants like bg wiki says "The Northeast room [Mamool Ja Savant](https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Mamool_Ja_Savant) (WHM) will drop 2 [Cirrocumulus Cell] (Back/Waist) and 2 of one of the others."

there are 2 issues right now 1) should drop in doubles, Eden is singles 2) savant should drop 2 back/waist along with either 2 hand, 2 body, 2 ranged or 2 ring

[Slamm21]

opening the crate you have 50% chance of ranged as one of the slots is. You get 0-2 "2x Humilus (HP), Spissatus (MP), Undulatus (Ranged) or Cumulus (Body)" ring chance 1/6 in chest "2x armor or stat cells other than the four above" there are 7 stats and 5 armour not in the 4 so it's 2/12 = 1/6

Savant = 25% chance to drop 2 ranged, or 25% chance to drop 2 ring

so before we count the lizards on average you would have 1 ranged and 0.666 rings

It's worth noting a fair few groups in era did not bring a THF to this zone with TH4, the drop rate on the 8 lizards which drop must be 45% for the pool of both pairs, so 22.5% each this gives 1.8 rings and ranged on average total 2.8 ranged on average and 2.4666 rings often this would be 3-4 of one and 2 of the other obviously so you duped the other and was good to go for the floor 5 frog the frog was possible most of the time as shown in bg comments

[DeuceFFXI]

Finally commenting on this after running Zhayolm on retail over twenty times collecting drop data that can be found on this spreadsheet. XIDB is full of inaccurate data due to the methods in which it was collected over the years.

As has been stated, the four Draco Lizards which drop Cirrocumulus cells can also drop two Virga and Undulatus cells. The Mamool Ja Savant, which spawns after all eight Lizards have been defeated, can drop two Virga, Undulatus, and Cumulus cells. The Draco Lizards can only drop ONE cumulus cell.

All cells which are NOT 100% guaranteed should have a Very Common drop rate (24%). Thus, with Treasure Hunter while unlikely it is still possible for players to not get enough Virga and/or Undulatus cells from the five mobs that can drop them on the second floor.

To reiterate:

Draco Lizards

• Cirrocumulus x2, 100%
• Virga x2, 24%
• Undulatus x2, 24%
• Cumulus x1, 24%

Mamool Ja Savant

• Cirrocumulus x2, 100%
• Virga x2, 24%
• Undulatus x2, 24%
• Cumlus x2, 24%

[59blargedy]

Resolved in November 19, 2023 update.