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Radioking TX18s: EdgeTx does not boot to UI if internal MPM is enabled. #802

Closed Steini63 closed 3 years ago

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Bug description:

Once the internal multiprotocol module is enabled for the active model, EdgeTx will not boot up to the UI. A black screen with the Enter symbol is displayed. If a switch or the throttle is not in the home position, the "Warning Screen" is the last display. Restart is only possible after removing the battery.

General information:

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

Are you the same person who reported this today on RCGroups? If not, there is a similar report there

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47872683&postcount=729

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

If you wouldn't mind, can you try this firmware build - it's from two weeks ago, just before the dynamic MPM protocol scanning was added... either way, it will start narrowing down when it horribly wrong for the RK TX18!

t18-7fcc3a8 (3d0cedc).zip

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

No, I have not even noticed the post. In my case, "scanning for protocols" works without problems.

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

Oh boy... ok, that sounds like it's something else entirely... We still don't know why, but someone else renamed the model and radio folders, started the radio back up, powered it down and moved the old folders back and it was fine. No idea why it worked but so far it seems to have fixed it. 🤷

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

I will try the suggested build.

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

This one boots without issues.

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 it would help greatly if you could upload your RADIO and MODELS directories and the name of the model that does not boot with latest firmware.

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

And if this one breaks, I get to blame it on someone else ^^^ :-P (whilst also taking into account I don't think any of us have RK TX18S hardware)

t18-9bb08c2.zip

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

Tested in my Radioking and i have the same problem.

With t18-7fcc3a8, no problem!

But i have the same jitter problem. 😅

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

Yeah, well, I think we've already established the RK TX18S likes to do the jitterbug, and the factory firmware must be pretty aggressively filtering it out somehow.

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

t18-9bb08c2 fails.

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

Yeah, well, I think we've already established the RK TX18S likes to do the jitterbug, and the factory firmware must be pretty aggressively filtering it out somehow.

Yes yes friend! I was just saying it to inform and eliminate my frustration! 😅 Maybe OpenTX 2.3.14 filter settings could be used. It has a lot less jitter.

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

t18-9bb08c2 fails.

I'll try it tonight! Now I'm going to work and I don't have time.

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

😢 Well, I have had my amusement in private. So at first glance maybe something in the dynamic MPM proto stuff has buggered things up. Can we get a copy of the models and radio folder, and then we can see if there is something mucked up in the configs.

Once you've done that, can you try the following - create a new model - use either 9bb08c2 or 2.5.0-rc1, etc... (something that we know crashes when it doesn't like something) then power cycle the radio - it should boot up fine since nothing is turned on. Then turn the internal MPM on, and power cycle it again. Does is successfully power on, or does it freeze on boot?

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

TX18s.zip

model1 is named "Multi intern" - that is the one that fails on booting model2 is named "Multi off" - boots o.k model3 is named "Multi extern" - boots ok

All models are freshly created on Tx (nothing converted or so).

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Once you've done that, can you try the following - create a new model - use either 9bb08c2 or 2.5.0-rc1, etc... (something that we know crashes when it doesn't like something) then power cycle the radio - it should boot up fine since nothing is turned on. Then turn the internal MPM on, and power cycle it again. Does is successfully power on, or does it freeze on boot?

Did that again with latest 2.6.0.

  1. Create new model - boots up ok with MPD deactivated.
  2. Activate Internal RF / MULTI, first entry "FlySky", no other changes - boot fail
Steini63 commented 3 years ago

There is one special thing with t18-9bb08c2: If I try to change model to "Multi intern" I got an "EMERGENCY MODE" and after reboot the model is not changed to "Multi intern". On the other problematic firmwares "Multi intern" works in operation.

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

I'm off to bed now, but thank you for testing that out, and so quickly! :)

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Thanks for helping so quickly - have to go AFK too.

MervDale commented 3 years ago

Unfortunately my mates RK TX18S failed again, only worked for a short while, same issues as above, he has gone back to OTX on this radio, may put ETX on his RM TX16S. sorry I didn't report it earlier.

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 just to exclude everything else: have you tried with a 100% blank SD card? Then create new model, etc... My T18 does not want to block/crash (I have one with touch screen, which is technically the same as the TX18S).

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

OK, I have tried again and I still have the error, but it only happens if I change the protocol.

Flash- boot- no changes- reboot ---- ok Boot- multi intern- default flsky -no more changes - reboot multiple times --- ok Boot- multi intern- change to any protocol- reboot- screen displayed fails safe not activated - freeze - remove battery - boot ----emergency mode.

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 just to exclude everything else: have you tried with a 100% blank SD card? Then create new model, etc... My T18 does not want to block/crash (I have one with touch screen, which is technically the same as the TX18S).

Rechecked with another sd-card:

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Just tried: Issue still exist in 2.5.0 RC2 and nightly from today.

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

Just tried: Issue still exist in 2.5.0 RC2 and nightly from today.

I’m running out of ideas, since I cannot make it crash on my T18v2…. Does the MPM have all the protocols, or is it maybe one with only CC2500?

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 you don’t have a STlinkv2 or anything like that? We need someone to hook a crashing radio to SWD and get a stack trace of the whole thing. Worst case we can use desktop sharing to guide you through the process.

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 you don’t have a STlinkv2 or anything like that? We need someone to hook a crashing radio to SWD and get a stack trace of the whole thing. Worst case we can use desktop sharing to guide you through the process.

Same problem with RC2, freeze on warning trhottle screen.

And sorry, i don´t have a STlink programer. 😞

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Does the MPM have all the protocols, or is it maybe one with only CC2500?

No, it's 4in1. Maybe this is is difference - do you have 5in1?

@Steini63 you don’t have a STlinkv2 or anything like that? We need someone to hook a crashing radio to SWD and get a stack trace of the whole thing. Worst case we can use desktop sharing to guide you through the process.

I have two different cheapo china St-Link V2 and I'm willing to use them (but have limited experience).

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

My RadioKing have the JP5in1. But don't have the 915mhz r9 of the original T18

IMG_20210928_154457.jpg

Steini63 commented 3 years ago

Same here - a 4in1 labeled as JP5IN1. Even the numbers on the bottom right of the board are identical.

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

Same here - a 4in1 labeled as JP5IN1. Even the numbers on the bottom right of the board are identical.

Sorry, another question, can you read #702 and say your experience? Thanks friend!

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

Does the MPM have all the protocols, or is it maybe one with only CC2500?

No, it's 4in1. Maybe this is is difference - do you have 5in1?

@Steini63 you don’t have a STlinkv2 or anything like that? We need someone to hook a crashing radio to SWD and get a stack trace of the whole thing. Worst case we can use desktop sharing to guide you through the process.

I have two different cheapo china St-Link V2 and I'm willing to use them (but have limited experience).

That should be ok, might get dirty however :-D

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

@Steini63 please contact me via PM on discord (pafleraf). We will arrange something.

MervDale commented 3 years ago

Just talking to my mate with the RK TX18S and he has mentioned that when you go to update the MPM firmware for this radio you only get the choice of the RK TX18S Internal Module (5 in 1) there is no option of MPM (4 in 1) firmware is this possibly where the problem lies with the Radios crashing ?

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

Just talking to my mate with the RK TX18S and he has mentioned that when you go to update the MPM firmware for this radio you only get the choice of the RK TX18S Internal Module (5 in 1) there is no option of MPM (4 in 1) firmware is this possibly where the problem lies with the Radios crashing ?

Do you mean the firmware on the MPM is wrong? That still does not mean we should be crashing 😇

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

I think he just means the MPM is different on the RK TX16S - it's a 5IN1 rather than a 4IN1 - just in case that meant it gives an unexpected response that b0rks things. It seemed like on the TX12 if it has the wrong firmware on the MPM it just ignores it, so no harm done there 😆

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

I think he just means the MPM is different on the RK TX16S - it's a 5IN1 rather than a 4IN1 - just in case that meant it gives an unexpected response that b0rks things. It seemed like on the TX12 if it has the wrong firmware on the MPM it just ignores it, so no harm done there 😆

Nevermind, I'm getting such a crashing radio sent to me.

MervDale commented 3 years ago

What I was trying to say is that the RK TX18S ONLY has the 4 in 1 MPM but you can only load the 5 in 1 MPM firmware

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

I think you mean can only download the 5in1 from https://downloads.multi-module.org/ under the RK TX18? ... oh, that is interesting... and it's actually the firmware for the t18 that they offer up. Since AFAIK the matching to a transmitter is only a nicety for the main part, have you tried loading a TX16S 4in1 MPM firmware, to get actual 4in1 firmware on it? Or just the file filters to specifically pick the STM 4in1 with Serial link?

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pfeerick commented 3 years ago

I've opened an issue to have that dropdown corrected : https://github.com/benlye/multi-downloads/issues/5

MervDale commented 3 years ago

I assume we know it's the same MPM board as the STM32 4-1, it does say on the MPM that it is JP5IN1 which as I understand has the 5th protocol removed ?

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

Well, that's just weird... looking at an internal picture of the RK TX18S, I can see what you mean about it saying it's the JP5IN1, but the 2.4Ghz antenna is connected to the top, rather than an internal PCB antenna, and presumably the 915/868Mhz sub-board that is on the underside is not installed, effectively making it a 4IN1... In other words, I would think that whether they fit the 915/868Mhz or not would determine if it's a 5IN1 or a 4IN1...

MervDale commented 3 years ago

So that was the origin of my question in that we have the later iterations of ETX looking for something that is not there and saying " Bugger I'm outa here " ! so to speak ;-Q

raphaelcoeffic commented 3 years ago

So that was the origin of my question in that we have the later iterations of ETX looking for something that is not there and saying " Bugger I'm outa here " ! so to speak ;-Q

We’ll see, I really don’t know for now.

RipperGOT commented 3 years ago

Well, that's just weird... looking at an internal picture of the RK TX18S, I can see what you mean about it saying it's the JP5IN1, but the 2.4Ghz antenna is connected to the top, rather than an internal PCB antenna, and presumably the 915/868Mhz sub-board that is on the underside is not installed, effectively making it a 4IN1... In other words, I would think that whether they fit the 915/868Mhz or not would determine if it's a 5IN1 or a 4IN1...

Exactly!!! The 915 / 868Mhz sub-board is not installed! It really is a 4IN1 You have been ahead of me with the answer. I work driving at night and I can't write from the truck! 😅 Safety first !!!

richardclli commented 3 years ago

I think you mean can only download the 5in1 from https://downloads.multi-module.org/ under the RK TX18? ... oh, that is interesting... and it's actually the firmware for the t18 that they offer up. Since AFAIK the matching to a transmitter is only a nicety for the main part, have you tried loading a TX16S 4in1 MPM firmware, to get actual 4in1 firmware on it? Or just the file filters to specifically pick the STM 4in1 with Serial link?

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As I know for the firmware, all T18/TX18S should use the t18int no matter whether it is a 5 in 1 or a 4 in 1. As I know T16 int module and T18 int module are not interchangable and they need different firmware. Because the T18 4 in 1 is just 5 in 1 with 900 MHz module removed.

pfeerick commented 3 years ago

As I know for the firmware, all T18/TX18S should use the t18int no matter whether it is a 5 in 1 or a 4 in 1. As I know T16 int module and T18 int module are not interchangable and they need different firmware. Because the T18 4 in 1 is just 5 in 1 with 900 MHz module removed.

Just to be 100% clear, before I have to open another issue, you are saying that for the RK TX18S (not the Lite), that the MPM does not work with the standard STM32 4-in-1, Serial firmware? And instead needs the module type to be Jumper T18 5-in-1? As it primarily only sets the MULTI_5IN1_INTERNAL flag, which in turn enables/configures the SX1276 868/915 transceiver.

richardclli commented 3 years ago

As I know for the firmware, all T18/TX18S should use the t18int no matter whether it is a 5 in 1 or a 4 in 1. As I know T16 int module and T18 int module are not interchangable and they need different firmware. Because the T18 4 in 1 is just 5 in 1 with 900 MHz module removed.

Just to be 100% clear, before I have to open another issue, you are saying that for the RK TX18S (not the Lite), that the MPM does not work with the standard STM32 4-in-1, Serial firmware? And instead needs the module type to be Jumper T18 5-in-1? As it primarily only sets the MULTI_5IN1_INTERNAL flag, which in turn enables/configures the SX1276 868/915 transceiver.

You can check and see, for Jumper there are 2 int modules board, one for T16 and one for T18, I have both a T16 and a T18 before, and noticed that the T18 5 in 1 will not work in T16, and T16 4 in 1 will not work in T18. Which means the T16 and T18 modules are different (maybe the inv noinv design).

So in the T18 4 in 1 use the same PCB as a T18 5 in 1, it is possible that using the stm-serial version (normally for T16 4 in 1) will cause problem.

So I think that all depends on which PCB it is using.

richardclli commented 3 years ago

Just check again https://downloads.multi-module.org/

Seems the TX18S internal 4 in 1 used stm-serial but not the t18int. Which means the module is not using 5 in 1 PCB? Then the problem is EdgeTX cannot use T18 to support TX18S internal 4 in 1 directly, something need to be changed.

I think we need to gather more information.

richardclli commented 3 years ago

Maybe @norulers can explain more.