Incorrect Player Count

[tapanther]

Not sure if this is happening with other games, but Small Railroad Empires is listed as 1-4 players in BGG but 3-4 in the generated website.

I did notice that the "Community" Player Count is 3-4, could that be getting parsed as the player count?

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[EmilStenstrom]

Hi! Sorry for the late reply.

Yes, I'm using the community voted player counts. That means the number is not "The intended number of players from the manufacturer is X" but "This game with good with X players". Are the votes wrong with Small Railroad Empires?

[tapanther]

No worries it was the holidays, totally get it.

Yes the vote counts suggest 1P is "not recommended" with Small Railroad Empires, but the rules (and the non-communist BGG player count) both allow 1P.

For most games/player counts the community recommendations are probably good, but for 1P-capable games there are going to be "opinion" votes on whether the solitaire is good or not, whether or not it's possible.

I use your tool to find things to play from my collection, and having the 1P (and sometimes 2P) options hidden kind of ruins my current use cases, given how things are.

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[tapanther]

I went through my games to look for missing 1P games, the following are also not shown as 1P games (I didn't look for missing 2P or higher counts though, but I feel like I have some that don't show up for player counts I expect)

• Barrage shows as 2P+
• Colony also shows as 2P+
• Tokyo Metro shows as 3P+

If you need more examples I can cross-correlate 2P games too.

[EmilStenstrom]

Thanks for the examples. It makes sense to go with the official numbers. And maybe just mark the version that are recommended by the community, then the user can make an informed decision.

If you are able to submit a PR, I'd happily accept it!

[tapanther]

Sadly my new job has more restrictions and rules to contribute to projects, I haven't yet taken the time to go through it all. If there's not a quick fix you can add ( I'm really hoping its of the form getUserRecommendedCount() -> getBGGUserCount(), ) I'll start going through the approval process.

[boglesby03]

I made an attempt at this by giving them additional player counts as "supported" with a ~.

It gets a little noisy on roll and writes that sometimes have 1-100 players, so I arbitrarily cut it off. I think there's probably a better way to represent this:

If you like it, I can pull it out and make a PR.

[tapanther]

I think italics alone for "supported but not recommended" is prolly good enough. I agree the extra symbol gets a bit messy. But looks good otherwise!

Arbitrary cutoff above some number (13-15 seems reasonable, to include things like Werewolf and roll-n-writes) is prolly reasonable.

[Medwynd]

Im not a fan of putting in the not recommended. I never use the player count information from bgg except to know the actual supported counts. I like the idea of putting the star by the recommended, even if I dont agree or care, but I would stop there.

Also instead of listing each player count individually just put the official count as "x - y", then a comma separated list of recommended counts preceeded by a star to indicate recommended

[tapanther]

@Medwynd The star (and circled-cross for "with expansion") should already be part of the code base (my page shows them, and I shouldn't have any local changes). If you're not seeing them, could you be out of date wrt to Emil's upstream?

As for the range, the issue comes down to search and filtering. I'd like to be able to list all my N-player games, regardless of whether it's a recommended count, and I suspect a range would not play nicely with the current "player count" dropdown filter. It could be made to work I'm sure, but that's now a larger changeset. And knowing the "supported count" is specifically the feature I want (you can of course disagree with what's desirable behavior).

[EmilStenstrom]

@tapanther I agree that italics should be enough.

@boglesby03 Would love to check out a PR, thanks! :)

@Medwynd I think it makes sense to include supported counts, especially with respect to games with few community votes, where the supported count is better than the community one.