NAOMI: 3P & 4P support

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What steps will reproduce the problem?
1. Load a Naomi, or Naomi based game
2. Tune according in service menu
3. Boot into game

What is the expected output? What do you see instead?
I expect to be able to use the four controllers, but only the first 2 will 
respond despite seeing the four "insert coin" signs on screen (ie, power stone 
2)

What version of the product are you using? On what operating system?
0.5.8.2

Please provide any additional information below.
Win7x64 SP1, 4670K, GTX 750 Ti, 8Gb

Original issue reported on code.google.com by DogwayTV on 11 Mar 2015 at 2:37

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not sure if this hasn't been implemented yet or maybe I'm doing something 
wrong, but I can't find any info on it.

Original comment by DogwayTV on 11 Mar 2015 at 2:39

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you do it wrong.
- in Config -> Maple Device Manager set Port B and C to Controller
- in Game Assignment set VM-Kit type to Capcom
Dreamcast Joy 2 & 3 will be used ingame

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you do it wrong
- Maple Device manager is set up. I also didn't forget to launch Demul, just in 
case you thought I didn't.
- No such "Game Assignment" or "VM-Kit type" entry in Service Menu (you even 
didn't bother to test it right?)

Proof of concept:

Service Menu
http://i.imgur.com/nZ627vN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OCIJhI9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5hYuO7I.jpg

Maple Manager
http://i.imgur.com/XD8xCGL.png

Original comment by DogwayTV on 11 Mar 2015 at 1:55

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if you too lazy (or just trolling eh ?) to find out it by yourself - full path 
is
enter Test mode -> Game Test Mode -> Game Configuration -> VM-Kit Type -> set 
to CAPCOM
with such setting regular Dreamcast controllers plugged into Maple ports B and 
C will be used for player 3 and 4.

anyway, almost each of ~100 Naomi games have some specific settings, which are 
described in its User/Service Manual. usually this is 100-200pages books.
Here is NOT SEGA TECH SUPPORT!!! you must read these manual by yourself and 
know how arcades works and how to enable or disable certain features.

Original comment by 0vet...@gmail.com on 11 Mar 2015 at 2:12

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Oh my... trollception, trolls tagging out trolls. Get your stuff together.

"enter Test mode -> Game Test Mode -> Game Configuration -> VM-Kit Type"

I challenge you to go check my last Service Menu screenshot above and spot such 
thing called "VM-Kit Type". Probably the only lazy ass one is you to not even 
bother check the posted images.
There's not much to do in a service menu with a mere 60 switches at most. I 
haven't seen any Power Stone 2 service manual around.

Original comment by DogwayTV on 11 Mar 2015 at 2:36

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why to reopen ticket ? is there something wrong with emulator ? real arcade 
works exactly in the same way afaik.
if you dont know some things about how game works - its yours own problems, not 
emulator bugs. read manuals, ask somewhere like arcadeotaku etc if YOU need it.

Demul is virtual machine aka emulator, not 'doubleclick to play the game' 
thing, so it requires certain knowledge and/or skills from errm... 'arcade 
operator' i.e. you.

Original comment by 0vet...@gmail.com on 11 Mar 2015 at 3:05

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I doubt americans couldn't play 4 players in power stone 2.

You are telling me to use a "hack" to workaround this missing 4P Naomi support 
and let power stone 2 use my Dreamcast controllers? This has no relation at all 
to "arcade operator".

You make it sound like a complex NASA operator panel but there's no mystery on 
service menus, it's even simpler than the simplest mobo bios I have ever seen, 
they are just a few options thrown there. Service manuals are mostly dedicated 
to hardware, and hardware emulation is handled internally in demul, not through 
service menus...

BTW, slashout lacks the VM-Kit Type entry (it's not a Capcom game after all). 
Are you sure it has 4P support?  Yes, reopen the ticket.

Original comment by DogwayTV on 11 Mar 2015 at 5:13

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believe me, its not only game where some features available only on Japanese 
BIOS.
read there 
http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26535&p=393476#p404759

Fuck, ITS NOT A HACK! it really works this way!
on real hardware to have 4 players arcade operator connect special VM-Kit 
(actually simple connectors and wires) to Naomi matherboard, it is wired to 
cabinet control panel, where players 3 and 4 can/must connect regular Dreamcast 
controllers to play.
this is how it works. really.

so where is no issue. its just you such a dumb.

Original comment by 0vet...@gmail.com on 11 Mar 2015 at 5:46

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oh great! So you solder a hacky piece of hardware to the Japanese PCB, plug 
your regular Dreamcast controllers and this is not in any way a hack. Great 
dude! *Applause*

Anyway too much arguing to enable 4P support on only 4 games.

You better spend resources on improving performance, way more important.
It's painful to play anything at a serious level.
https://code.google.com/p/demul/issues/detail?id=281

Original comment by DogwayTV on 12 Mar 2015 at 1:10