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Comments for https://www.endpointdev.com/blog/2009/01/orange-code/ By Jon Jensen

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original author: Ethan Rowe
date: 2009-01-15T06:06:00-05:00

On jazz musicians being classically trained, thus understanding the "rules":

• the "rules" are not the same between these traditions; the voice-leading that Mozart or Bach would use is considerably different from what jazz musicians use; the harmonic structures that jazz musicians regularly use would be gibberish in the context of Mozart, Bach, etc.
• why do people act like there's one set of "rules" that governs all music, and then go on to think that "classical" music is the ultimate manifestation of those rules? It's silly. Go listen to Javanese gamelan recordings and tell me about the "rules" there.

Which is not to take away from the value of the sentiments expressed, only to pick my usual nit with the human tendency to make obviously-absurd statements about musical things.

[phinjensen]

original author: Steven Jenkins
date: 2009-01-15T10:16:00-05:00

While I enjoy reading books like 'The Orange Code', it's been my experience that a clear, well-articulated, shared vision is a key factor in the success of an organization. The actual contents of the vision often do not matter as much as the sense of community obtained by having the shared vision in the first place.

The environment around an organization matters as well. If there is a sense of crisis, that everyone must band together in order for the organization and the individuals to survive, then the urgency presents yet another building block for the organization to use.

With all that said, I like the quotes you've pulled out, and I'd be interested in reading the book as well.

[phinjensen]

original author: Jon Jensen
date: 2009-01-16T00:15:00-05:00

Steven, it's funny you mention that "a clear, well-articulated, shared vision is a key factor in the success of an organization", since that's probably the major thesis of the book. :)

[phinjensen]

original author: BrandCowboy
date: 2009-01-16T14:03:00-05:00

Hey, Ethan,

I appreciate your comment. This was a useful cliche for me just to make the point efficiently: I don't think that classical music is defined by the rules it imposes, at least not for this rhetorical purpose. I think it's defined by the fact that you can't master it without study and discipline (also true of gamelan, I suppose). These are the qualities I was referring to when I wrote about the entitlement to 'contribute'.

Thanks for your interest in the book!

Best, Bruce.

[phinjensen]

original author: Anonymous
date: 2009-05-18T19:25:00-04:00

The book sounds boring and inhumane, put it down and plant a tree