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Allow for BAU decreasing soft costs for power plant technologies #78

Closed robbieorvis closed 4 years ago

robbieorvis commented 4 years ago

Currently, the model separates soft costs and hard costs and only hard costs decline based on cumulative installed capacity, with soft costs remaining constant. Soft costs can only be affected by policy. In practice, however, large improvements in cost are being achieved through improvements in soft costs in the BAU case (NREL ATB has good documentation on this). As such, we need a way to represent the BAU improvement in soft costs without additional policy.

A times series variable, BAU Improvement in Soft Costs Relative to Start Year, should take care of this.

We are likely to overstate the costs of renewables without this tweak.

jrissman commented 4 years ago

We normally avoid introducing a second "improvement rate" variable for anything defined as a time-invariant variable. We just change the time-invariant variable to a time-series variable. Then if you want to use a fixed improvement rate, you can do that in Excel, or you can use any other sort of improvement pattern you like, so it is more flexible than using a separate "improvement rate" variable. It also avoids cluttering up the model structure with extra variable names and arrows. Is there a reason you must have a separate "improvement rate" variable and can't put the improvements into a time series in Excel?

I can convert endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC and endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC to be in units of dollars per MW, rather than a percentage, if that would be more convenient.

robbieorvis commented 4 years ago

Hi Jeff,

I think that's probably fine, but I'll just flag that one of the challenges here is that we have endogenous learning, so setting a time series percentage is a bit tricky because it means the soft costs will change based on the endogenous learning rate, unless the time series is a multiplier on the start year costs (in which case this would work just fine and it's what I'd propose).

jrissman commented 4 years ago

I'll convert endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC and endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC to be in units of dollars per MW, so you won't have to make a time series of a percentage of a changing underlying value. The dollars per MW will be start year soft costs, which you then reduce according to whatever rate or schedule you prefer, so it will be simple.

robbieorvis commented 4 years ago

Okay, great. Thank you. This will help close the loop on some power sector issues we were having with new data.


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I'll convert endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC and endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC to be in units of dollars per MW, so you won't have to make a time series of a percentage of a changing underling value. The dollars per MW will be start year soft costs, which you then reduce according to whatever rate or schedule you prefer, so it will be simple.

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jrissman commented 4 years ago

Structure is completed in 001ec05. Rather than retain the variable endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC, it made more sense structurally to add soft costs as an additional table to existing time-series cost variables: elec/CCaMC for utility-scale onshore wind, offshore wind, and solar PV, and bldgs/CpUDSC for distributed solar PV.

I've got temporary soft cost data in elec/CCaMC and bldgs/CpUDSC right now, based on the fractions we were formerly using in endo-learn/SYSoCCtaSC (converted to $/MW). That probably is pretty reasonable, but I think the whole point of building this feature was because Robbie wanted to enter his own set of time-series soft costs. Therefore, I assume you'll want to replace my temporary data in elec/CCaMC and bldgs/CpUDSC prior to 3.0 launch, so I'm not going to close this issue now.

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jrissman commented 4 years ago

After the electricity sector update in commit 4013c4f, have you either updated the soft cost time series values, or decided to keep the values I had in there? (E.g. can we close this issue?)

robbieorvis commented 4 years ago

Megan updated these, so we can close it

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jrissman commented 4 years ago

Great!