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NTR: solar radiation #587

Closed VarshaKhodiyar closed 5 years ago

VarshaKhodiyar commented 6 years ago

Hello,

please could you add the new term solar radiation

I'm not sure if the best parent is particle radiation ENVO:01001024 or radiation ENVO:01001023

Glad to defer to your judgement on this.

Thanks, Varsha

VarshaKhodiyar commented 6 years ago

If possible please could you also add as children of 'solar radiation'

shortwave solar radiation longwave solar radiation

Not a problem if you feel this would be too specific though

cmungall commented 6 years ago

Looks like we have a few radiation requests pending, e.g. #430

General discussion here: #255

pbuttigieg commented 6 years ago

Will do! We may keep it at a high level for now as we figure out how to handle energy in general, but the PURL will be stable.

On 16 Jan 2018 15:52, "Varsha Khodiyar" notifications@github.com wrote:

If possible please could you also add as children of 'solar radiation'

shortwave solar radiation longwave solar radiation

Not a problem if you feel this would be too specific though

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pbuttigieg commented 6 years ago

PS: I'm working on a heliosphere release to follow up the Planetary Ecology release, which should help this.

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Will do! We may keep it at a high level for now as we figure out how to handle energy in general, but the PURL will be stable.

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If possible please could you also add as children of 'solar radiation'

shortwave solar radiation longwave solar radiation

Not a problem if you feel this would be too specific though

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pbuttigieg commented 6 years ago

The particle wave duality is a bit of an ontological wormhole. We'll stick with electromagnetic radiation as a parent for now.

please could you add the new term solar radiation

I've added stellar radiation (we stay general, but it's still applicable) to the editors' version with the PURL: http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001211

Def:

An electromagnetic radiation process during which electromagnetic waves or their quanta are emitted from a star.

Equiv Axiom:

'electromagnetic radiation' and 'has causal agent' some star

I've cross-axiomatised this with stellar wind

If possible please could you also add as children of 'solar radiation' shortwave solar radiation longwave solar radiation

I've added a bunch of subclasses (see below) to the editors' version, but it's apparent that there are very variable thresholds when it comes to wavelengths and frequencies. Do your authors specify their ranges for short and long here? We could reference their DOI if so. Otherwise I'd guess "short" would be anything ultraviolet and above and long would be anything infrared and below.

label PURL
'ionising stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001219
'x-ray stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001217
'gamma-ray stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001218
'ultraviolet stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001216
'visible spectrum stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001215
'infrared stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001214
'radio wave stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001213
'microwave stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001212
rduerr commented 6 years ago

Well since the sun is a star, you might want to make sure the subclassing fits…. - Ruth

PS: No I don’t know why I read this totally non-cryospheric topic

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The particle wave duality is a bit of an ontological wormhole. We'll stick with electromagnetic radiation as a parent for now.

please could you add the new term solar radiation

I've added stellar radiation (we stay general, but it's still applicable) to the editors' version with the PURL: http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001211 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001211 Def:

An electromagnetic radiation process during which electromagnetic waves or their quanta are emitted from a star. Equiv Axiom:

'electromagnetic radiation' and 'has causal agent' some star I've cross-axiomatised this with stellar wind

If possible please could you also add as children of 'solar radiation' shortwave solar radiation longwave solar radiation

I've added a bunch of subclasses (see below) to the editors' version, but it's apparent that there are very variable thresholds when it comes to wavelengths and frequencies. Do your authors specify their ranges for short and long here? We could reference their DOI if so. Otherwise I'd guess "short" would be anything ultraviolet and above and long would be anything infrared and below.

label PURL 'ionising stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001219 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001219 'x-ray stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001217 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001217 'gamma-ray stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001218 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001218 'ultraviolet stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001216 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001216 'visible spectrum stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001215 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001215 'infrared stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001214 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001214 'radio wave stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001213 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001213 'microwave stellar radiation' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001212 http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001212 — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/EnvironmentOntology/envo/issues/587#issuecomment-363264142, or mute the thread https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABeSvGWJdI93vkP3241uWONNhQfunIQdks5tR5eagaJpZM4Rf_Sg.

pbuttigieg commented 6 years ago

@rduerr did you spot an inconsistency?

Our sea ice physics team certainly concern themselves with solar radiation, cryo perspectives are most welcome.

VarshaKhodiyar commented 6 years ago

stellar radiation works, thanks! The authors did not specify ranges, sorry.

cmungall commented 5 years ago

See also #618

cmungall commented 5 years ago

Closing, since we have http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_01001211