Periodic check for standby

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Greetings,

The following enhancement is based on EPGP 5.0-beta3. I would like to see 2
options added to the Award EP window:

-- Option to check for being online if on standby. As it is now, the addon
rewards selected people in the guild EP regardless if they are online or
offline. I know you can just unselect someone from the list if he logs off,
but if your guild is large enough, you may miss them. And spotting the
error afterwards can be tricky if you didn't notice early.
-- Include people on standby as well. What if I want to award only some EP
to people on standby? We want them to get a slice of the cake, not eat the
whole one like the people currently raiding. It can be done manually, but
having 25 people raiding and 20 on standby takes it's time editing.

Cheers,
AoT

Original issue reported on code.google.com by aotl...@gmail.com on 20 Nov 2008 at 8:32

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The first option I think is in the works already.

For the Standby EP, I award the people on standby the same as the people in the 
raid.
If they don't come when called, big EP deduction. The EP is a compensation for 
them
not coming to the raid for whatever reason, even though they said they could 
come.
They can't get loot, so they get EP points instead for supporting the guilds 
raid(s)

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 21 Nov 2008 at 1:53

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I will add an option to have a periodic check of the standby list and auto 
remove
those that are not there to respond. This is going to be through a popup in the
standby's client.

As for the second suggeston I will consider it and see if I can come up with
something, but can you open another enhancement request for it? Having two in 
the
same bug makes it hard to track.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 21 Nov 2008 at 9:58

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Original comment by evlogimenos on 21 Nov 2008 at 9:58

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"This is going to be through a popup in the standby's client."

you really want to force all raiders to have an additional addon just for 
standby? in
my eyes thats not a good decision. it took years to force all our guild raiders 
to
have omen/bigwigs/ora2 installed. the whisper functionality was imo the best 
approach
in that case (and worked perfectly).

Original comment by jan.ohlhorst@gmail.com on 28 Nov 2008 at 9:49

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If they do not have epgp how are they going to see standings and when they can 
get loot? This is the 2nd 
expansion... it is not like people are still in Vanilla mode where installing 
addons was just an optional thing to 
do.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 28 Nov 2008 at 10:06

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Original comment by evlogimenos on 1 Dec 2008 at 11:47

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Original comment by evlogimenos on 1 Dec 2008 at 11:48

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"you really want to force all raiders to have an additional addon just for 
standby?"

No, I want to force people to have a mod so I don;t have to deal with "where am 
I on PR" whispers. Will also give 
bidding capability eventually.

And trust me, getting people to install EPGP will be real easy:

NO EPGP = NO STANDBY EP, YOUR CHOICE.

Original comment by rmlane@gmail.com on 1 Dec 2008 at 12:59

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Who uses EPGP while the rest of the raid doesn't? If the rest of the raid and 
does
not care why do you even bother with a loot system in the first place. Can 
someone
explain this to me so that I can understand it please?

Original comment by evlogimenos on 1 Dec 2008 at 1:24

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we asked our members to install EPGP addon, for the stand-by wispers. 
what happens is, that the people are able to reset the epgp. what do I have to 
do, that only guildleader/officer 
are allowed to do so?

thank you
best regards

Original comment by poisene...@gmx.de on 1 Dec 2008 at 5:40

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this has nothing to do with this bug, can you please use the forums: 
http://groups.google.com/group/epgp-
discuss

Original comment by evlogimenos on 1 Dec 2008 at 8:55

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I am considering of implementing one of the following:

Option: Enable automatic whisper system for handling out of raid members when 
in raid

Implementation A
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When the option is enabled the addon will handle the following whispers:

epgp standby <toon>

When the above whisper is received the toon will be added to standby for the 
duration of the raid. If <toon> 
is omitted it will default to the sender.

epgp offstandby <toon>

When the above whisper is received the toon will be removed from the standby 
list. If <toon> is omitted it 
will default to the sender.

Implementation B
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epgp standby <toon>

When the above whisper is received the toon will be added to standby for the 
duration of the raid. If <toon> 
is omitted it will default to the sender.

On every mass award made, that being recurring or manual, the addon will 
whisper everyone in the standby 
list as a reminder to renew their standby status. It will also remove all 
people from the standby list and 
rebuild it from incoming whispers.

Voice your opinions now on which one you prefer because I want to tackle this 
ASAP.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 2 Dec 2008 at 10:32

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Implementation B

BUT!

Ideally, if someone is on an alt, and they do "epgp standby <main>" the mod 
needs to whisper the alt that sent the tell.

If that is too hard to do, then I'll live without it.

You can work around the issue by setting EPGP announcements to a custom channel 
(or GUILD, if your alts are in-guild) and 
telling people:

"If you're on an alt rather than your main it is your responsibility to whisper 
inside 1 minute to be granted EP. Pay attention to 
announcements."

I really don't see the point of "A". If you're going to use the "trust system" 
for standby people, then just shift-click their 
names at the start of the raid, takes under a minute (10 seconds for me, I have 
a 40-person guild, the entire standby list fits 
in one page without scrolling).

Original comment by rmlane@gmail.com on 2 Dec 2008 at 11:14

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I do not see it as much as trust but more of a hassle. That said I trust all my 
members otherwise I wouldn't have 
them in the guild to begin with :-) But it seems a hassle to remove yourself 
from the list when you have to go, 
when you can just leave and let the addon sort it out automatically.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 3 Dec 2008 at 12:35

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I vote for -B-.
And add some sort of feedback whisper, e.g. "<toon> has been added to standby 
list."

Original comment by michael....@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2008 at 1:39

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"Who uses EPGP while the rest of the raid doesn't? If the rest of the raid and 
does
not care why do you even bother with a loot system in the first place."

because the raidleader is the (only) one that needs to bother with "giving 
points" &
loot-distribution. the raiders themselves are only commiting need or standby & 
the
raidleader is substracting points / adding GP.

i'm not against the possiblity of "everyone having the addon (incl popups for
standby, bidding, etc.)", but some "fallback" is always nice (also: number of
must-have addons increased much over the time & often are cause for troubles), 
i.e.
the raiders can check their points in the officer-note or can whisper their 
standby
from their alts. i just found the approach from the previous versions ("/g 
whisper
you mains or alts name to get on the standby list") a very good one & up to 
know i do
not understand why it has been removed. that was more or less "Implementation 
B", right?

"No, I want to force people to have a mod so I don;t have to deal with "where 
am I on
PR" whispers. Will also give bidding capability eventually. - And trust me, 
getting
people to install EPGP will be real easy: - NO EPGP = NO STANDBY EP, YOUR 
CHOICE."

yep, that should work. :)
but the PR is in the office note (just give the right to read it), isn't it?

"That said I trust all my members otherwise I wouldn't have 
them in the guild to begin with :-)"

then you are lucky =)
but you cannot assume that for all the other guilds out there. different people
coming & and going each week. accounts get hacked. etc.

Original comment by jan.ohlhorst@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2008 at 2:04

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The PR is not in the officer note. The officer note is EP and GP. Now if you 
suggest that people can do division of 
4-digit numbers pretty fast and then compare the results across 50+ other 
members to figure out their 
standings without the addon...

Original comment by evlogimenos on 4 Dec 2008 at 2:11

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Ok here is what I have right now. This also changes the behavior of the addon a 
bit so read carefully:

Only when in raid, and if the option is enabled, the raid leader accepts 
whispers to add people to the standby 
list. This happens through a whisper of the form:

/epgp standby <name>

<name> is optional. If <name> is not provided it is assumed that the sender is 
the one on standby. The 
sender receives one of three replies: 1) confirmation, 2) note that the 
specific person is already in the award 
list, 3) error that the person is not eligible for EPs (if that person is not 
known to EPGP).

When automatic standby by whisper is enabled, on every mass EP award the whole 
standby list is wiped. For 
me this is ok, since it happens only when whispers are available and this 
behavior makes sense. I am checking 
here if this is what others expect as well.

Comments?

Original comment by evlogimenos on 4 Dec 2008 at 4:05

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So the recurring awards are unaffected by standby whispers? Or do these count 
as 
mass awards?

Original comment by michael....@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2008 at 5:54

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Some clarifications please:

• Raid Leader or "Raid Leader / Master Looter"

• What happens with recurring awards? They go to the current standby list? 
Recurring awards do not clear the 
list?

If the recur list doesn't clear standby, I'll have to do a mass EP ward of 1 EP 
each boss to clear the list, but the 
point of an auto-maintained list is that it is automatically maintained. (Our 
EP awards are done purely by time, 
via recurring EP and mass awards at raid start/end only).

Advice:

Do not have a /epgp at the front of the tell :) It's hard to send a / at the 
start on one. Just "EPGP standby 
<name>"

Questions:

• Sounds like it's close?
• Does this replace the client popup you were going to do?

Original comment by rmlane@gmail.com on 4 Dec 2008 at 10:51

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@Evlogimenos - You mean to have the old stanby whisper version and the newer 
standby
list option as well?

Using the old system the EPGP addon will just announce the same as always, but 
with
the new one, they just whisper once (like my suggestion elsewhere) and get 
added to
the list and receive EP (as long as they or a recognised alt is still online).

I would prefer the newer version, but allowing both would be good for a lot of 
guilds
it seems.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 5 Dec 2008 at 2:24

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mass award = either recurring or manual award to the raid and standby.

there is no '/' in front of the tell, that was a typo.

yes it is close I have the code in my development version but it needs some 
more polish.

no there is no popup dialog, because that would have been a bitch to implement 
across custom channels.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 5 Dec 2008 at 8:09

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This is fixed in r784.

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"This is fixed in r784."

Justifies a point release IMO.

Inc 5.0.2 ?

Original comment by rmlane@gmail.com on 8 Dec 2008 at 12:57

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Soon soon.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 8 Dec 2008 at 1:23

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Looking forward to seeing this in ASAP!

Original comment by PantsA...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2008 at 5:20

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Using the new EPGP 5.0 Standby, does the addon detect if someone is offline yet 
and
not give them the EP?

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2008 at 11:34

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Wait...I thought there was no Standby in version 5x??? I thought he was still 
working
on putting it back in?

Original comment by PantsA...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2008 at 11:49

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There is Stanby, you select the Show All button when you are in a raid, and
Shift-Click on the Standby players names, they then get EP, without the need to 
whisper.

Original comment by dingochavezz@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2008 at 11:51

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No it does not do any offline detection. This will be fixed in the next release.

Original comment by evlogimenos on 17 Dec 2008 at 12:17