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This project is about bringing Nomads back as playable faction via featured mod and make a serious attempt to integrate them into the main game.
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ACU orbital bombardment -> rework into nomads tml bombardment #103

Closed Ithilis closed 7 years ago

Ithilis commented 7 years ago

It have this nice upgrade on ACU, but its not very nice balance wise. Main problem is that this upgrade is not linked primary to ACU unit, where all other acu/sacu upgrades upgrade acu/sacu this will add ability that is somewhere else as on acu. And also missiles fire from one side of map where can/cant be blocked depend on whith side of map enemy is. And another problem is that its hard lock on time, and not on game mechanism as build time of units. And its free of charge where other tml drain resources. And that should be changed.

My proto concept is that ACU will fire this missiles by own. And will work as acu tml but on nomads bombard style.

CookieNoob commented 7 years ago

I am not against giving the missiles a price, but I would keep the firing mechanism as it is right now.

Exotic-Retard commented 7 years ago

me and ithilis discussed this on TS: it would probably be best for many reasons if the spaceship is brought down lower so its more visible and then made to follow the acu - then the tmls firing from it would be very similar to acu tmls in terms of trajectory and placement. also things like RAS would be given to the ship and not the acu - the acu would only get a resource transfer system on board, just like the TML upgrade, as well as teh base resource generation (+1m +20e) which would be on the ship too.

also it could be interesting to have the intel on the ship as well with the acu having nearly none

all these changes are almost purely visual and from a game point of view its not very different from a regular acu.

Ithilis commented 7 years ago

Issue is that maybe it looks nice, but balancewise it will be all time problematic. It fire all time from one position of map what can cause diferent reasult depend on location and you can never change that.

Half of solution (that retard suggest) is keep it as this is when mothership is hard link with acu and move with acu. But then its again problem that when missile drain reasources you cant speed up proces. you cant assist to build it faster. And it looks sily to me while only gain is that it looks diferent.

Also it make zero sance when intel is moved into mothership. it looks absoluthly same, only will need crete new link for capacitator and maybe some other stuff in feauture. And all time be followed by some satelite is kind of Orwel 3148 when big brother all time watch you where you move :D even when its your ship it can easyli cause paranoya why is this ship stalking my acu.

We can have big planes.. but reality will be that (at least on start) we will not have crowds that will be eager to start play nomads. And one of most comon feedback taht i get when play with them in past was also what are this thinks on sky? None know about some lore and spaceships and stuf.. they only see what they see and it make no sance at all.

CookieNoob commented 7 years ago

moving ras to the ship? to what end? the acu will still display the income so where is the difference??

ok ship can follow the acu, why not

Ithilis commented 7 years ago

And what is gain that it alredy have? It fire from spaceship and not acu, why its better? Because i say why its worse. It have same no gain as when is ras moved into spaceship. Its same. only have negative impact into gameplay.

CookieNoob commented 7 years ago

when the space ship is lowered (on the same elevation like the t3 arty sats) and the ship follows the acu, I think the gameplay doesnt suffer from any negative impact and we have one more cool effect. Also faction diversity. We already have the ship there, we should use it.

Exotic-Retard commented 7 years ago

moving ras from the acu to the ship is 99% visual impact, the only thing that changes is the ui when you have the drains on, but it helps us improve the nomads atmosphere, showing whats going on where and such.

Ithilis commented 7 years ago

Jast dont move shits into satelite that are pure artifical impact for some more wow.. Keep this space impact as low as posible please :) Seraphim also open interdimensional portals in campain and in multipleyer dont have such think. Make this change in campain, make it crazy spaceisch but keep multiplayer in fa standards. We will need then expalain and argue about how to implement then and how they fit into fa balance.