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Deviations #11

Closed paulduchesne closed 1 year ago

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

Highlight instances where the ontology currently deviates intentionally from the cataloguing manual.

2.3.4.2 Projection Characteristic

2.3.5.3 Duration

3.1.3 Holding Institution

3.1.5.16/17/20 Codec and Bit Depth

3.1.5.22 Source Software

D.7.7 Item Base – Film or Video

D.7.9 Item File Size – Digital

D.7.10 Item Codec type

D.7.13 Item Sound System

D.7.16 Item Stock

D.8 Manifestation Agent Types

D.10 Manifestation Publication Types:

other

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

Note that this could also be a good space to talk about things which should be deviated from.

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

I was going to kick this off with suggesting a change to the Colour Characteristics vocabulary (D.7.11).

Currently it comprises:

Colour
Colour + Black & White
Tinted
Black and white
Black and white (tinted)
Black and white (toned)
Black and white (tinted and toned)
Sepia

My suggestion would be to reduce the 8 options to 6:

Colour
Black and White
Black and White/Colour
Tinted
Toned
Tinted/Toned

The changes I am proposing are removing the "black and white" from the tinted and toned terms, as these are self-evident on the understanding that we are talking about film which has been physically tinted or toned (a processing technique), not a creative colour grade (eg "The Matrix", "Out Of Sight"). It has also always struck me as off to use the language "Black and White" with "tinted and toned", as a tinted and toned print will contain neither black nor white! I was also not sure why Sepia would be considered a distinct tone.

Another question is how to indicate a combination of techniques as opposed to interleaved techniques, for example the difference between a film which contains tinted-only sequences interspersed with toned-only sequences, against a film which is tinted-and-toned throughout.

I would suggest the former would be expressed as multiple distinct statements (eg film work > has colour characteristic > tinted AND film work > has colour characteristic > toned) as opposed to the print containing tinted/toned film throughout (eg film work > has colour characteristic > tinted/toned).

This logic could also be applied to distinguish films which contain sequences of both black and white AND colour (within the same frame - eg "Pleasantville", "Schindler's List") as black and white/colour and those which contain discrete sequences of each (eg "Daises", "Kill Bill") as black and white AND colour.

annahoegner commented 1 year ago

D.7.7 Item Base – Film or Video removed video from base list to prevent colision with format:video, also because it seems inappropriate as base value.

How about introducing magnetic tape as base? I guess that is what this refers to.

annahoegner commented 1 year ago

D.7.11

In the VHH project we go with an even more reduced vocabulary: bw, color, color & bw and moved tinting and toning to the color film process, wich they technically are. In a digitized film colors achieved through tinting or toning are no different from colors achieved through other processes. So yes, I'm in favor of the reduction.

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

How about introducing magnetic tape as base? I guess that is what this refers to.

I am no chemist, but I wonder if there is an equivalent base as with film - ie is the plastic base of magnetic tape just polyester?

torbjornbp commented 1 year ago

I am no chemist, but I wonder if there is an equivalent base as with film - ie is the plastic base of magnetic tape just polyester?

I don't think that's a viable. It can be acetate and polyester. If we expand to include film sound production elements, we also have additional bases like PET and PVC.

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

Would that base composition be tied to format, time period or manufacturer? I suppose it is also obvious that there are very real safety and storage concerns tied to film base, hence a level of detail not present in other formats.

A purist approach would probably be that you are not compromising the vocabulary to cater to different methods of assessment, ie if base composition is not known beyond "magnetic tape", then it should be left blank as the "magnetic tape"ness can be inferred by being videotape.

natashafairbairn commented 1 year ago

D.7.10 Item Codec type

I presume that the "NIL" part of NIL ProRes 422 (HQ) is a typo.

Yes, it is a mistake in the Manual - a missing return - ProRes422 (HQ) should be listed below NIL

paulduchesne commented 1 year ago

Can be opened under the ontology repo at https://github.com/FIAF/FIAFcore