Brutallus resisting taunts frequently

[WarriorTSW]

Hello everyone.

Im still kinda new to bug reporting so sorry if Im doing it wrong.

Here is a video of me tanking Brutallus with 9.39% hit rating IIRC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBlN78s4rU At 2:37 I taunt off the other tank and its resisted. I then challenging shout and its also resisted.

According to the following link, Brutallus should have further reduced chance to resist taunts. Scroll down to "VII e. Taunt and Focus Mechanics" https://web.archive.org/web/20090108002304/http://www.elitistjerks.com/f31/t18771-protection_warrior/ I have no idea what "extremely rare" translates to. But over the course of our attempts, taunt resists were common. At least one every attempt.

Also, and I dont want to be a sceptic. But it would seen after getting an initial resist on a taunt, the following challenging shout would almost always resist also. I cant recall if this happened following every taunt resist. But it certainly happened often.

Thanks :)

[deathstreal]

I can confirm, tanked with 11.5% on gear and 3% from moonkin, still got many resists. Brutallus had 1% Taunt Resist chance on Retail, because the mechanic was so vital to the fight. EDIT: That 1% could not be further reduced, like with most Spells.

[repae1f]

cant confirm, only on one our pull was with 4 resists with tank which not capped hit for taunt

[ghost]

Taunt (warrior ability)

In Patch 2.3, the chance for this ability to land successfully on its target is now increased by hit rating. However, Taunt remained classified as a spell for the purposes of determining miss rate versus mobs. That means that against a mob 3 levels higher than the player, Taunt has a base chance of 17% to be resisted (a miss). (*Needs reference) There is also a 1% chance to be resisted that cannot be overcome with gear.

[lajhar]

Agree with @Lederi . Brutallus has 17% chance to resist Taunt as every raid bosses. If you have any reliable sources saying that Brutallus is an exception to this general value, please provide us.

[WarriorTSW]

@lajhar The web archive link in my first post says: "Some bosses appear to have a check that lowers taunt resists. For instance, Brutallus taunt resists may occur, but are extremely rare." Would you only accept an absolute value? Because if like @deathstreal said, it would seem much more appropriate to the fight imo.

I ran through just about all of our attempts. And my Taunt resisted 21.42857143% of the time. And out of the 6 resisted Taunts, 4 out of 6 Challenging Shouts were resisted immediately after. Including the Challenging Shouts (I dont know if this is classed the same as Taunt) the resist chance would be 33.33% I know its a small sample size. But if anything atm, it looks like the chance to resist is HIGHER than 17%. For every attempt I was above 8% sell buffed hit rating and even over 9% for the three last attempts.

[deathstreal]

https://www.engadget.com/2008/04/19/ready-check-brutallus/ Just scroll down to the Tanking Challenges. I have an EJ detailed guide too but it is too big to bother and look for that. Just like TSW said, Brutallus resists were extremely rare, because it was usually a wipe if he resisted. Challenging Shout and Mocking Blow only serve as to give you a second chance at Taunt. They are indeed the exact same as Taunt outside of losing your target after the duration.

[WarriorTSW]

http://wowthinktank.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/druid-offtopic-kalecgos-down-onto.html http://whynot.leforum.eu/t436-Brutallus.htm (if you understand french) These are 2 more guides mentioning 1% taunt chance.

[repae1f]

I think in this guides mistake. Taunt has spell mechanics that's why always have 1% resist even if tank fully cap hit. Its only one "1%" we can speak about.

[teddys]

I wouldn't be surprised if taunt used spell hit instead of melee hit. Warrior shouts resist incredibly often even when hit capped against target that have no fear resistance for example. And you can even REFLECT piercing howl/demo shout.

[Zerixx]

I looked into this, created a slightly possible fix. No guarantees whatsoever. Will be applied to PTR soon.

[Daweedian]

I think that @teddys might be right on this one. Our tanks are hit capped + we always have faerie fire on the boss and every try we had, tanks were constantly missing taunts. They missed them 3-4 times in a row and if that happens you are going to lose people no matter what. It's ok to 'waste' 1 or 2 taunts per try but having up to 10 misses is unacceptable. Like teddys said it might be that taunt is counted as spell here and that warriors miss because of that.

[repae1f]

Our tanks are hit capped

I cant imagine tank with 200+ hit rating on items. Anyway you can change you tactics consider taunt resists.

[WarriorTSW]

@lajhar "Brutallus has only a 1% base chance to miss for taunt's sake. No amount of +hit will help here, but it'll only be resisted if you're very unlucky." http://wowthinktank.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/druid-offtopic-kalecgos-down-onto.html

"( PENSEZ à Bind le deuxième Taunt, vous avez 1% de Resist taunt sur ce boss)" http://whynot.leforum.eu/t436-Brutallus.htm (if you understand french)

"Brutallus doesn't crush, doesn't reset his swing timer on a parry and has a 1% taunt resist chance, so take these factors into account when gearing." https://www.engadget.com/2008/04/19/ready-check-brutallus/

[lajhar]

You don't need to link me additional sources. Personally I'm still not convinced, but considering the large amount of community feedback (emojis), as you can see I've forwarded your report, and @Zerixx has already been working on it.

[deathstreal]

Taunt, Tclap, Demon Shout and all "spell based" warrior and druid abilities in TBC require 16% melee hit, with an unmitigatable 1% resist. You needed Spell Hit in Vanilla. That is a bit offtopic, but people seem to have the wrong impression.

[Zerixx]

If this issue does, in fact, exist. This should be fixed as of my most recent additions of the revamped resists & binary spells implementations.

Fixed: 12/3/16 - Waiting for PTR.

[Delinquent1]

Taunt is classified as a spell on lvl 73 targets (bosses) and requires spell hit and not melee hit. Tsw please get a better call of what you post and what guides you make cause you embarrass yourself. Zerix reconsider removing this hotfix on taunt cause the report is wrong/incomplete.

Source: wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Taunt_(warrior_ability) Patch 2.3.0 (13-Nov-2007): The chance for this ability to land successfully on its target is now increased by hit rating. However, Taunt remained classified as a spell for the purposes of determining miss rate versus mobs. That means that against a mob 3 levels higher than the player, Taunt has a base chance of 17% to be resisted (a miss).

[Zerixx]

@Delinquent1 Not really necessary. Changes were made to spell hit/crit/bonus calculations & resists in general, so if an issue were to exist, I'd be surprised if it persisted.

[repae1f]

@Delinquent1

Taunt is classified as a spell on lvl 73 targets (bosses) and requires spell hit and not melee hit.

The chance for this ability to land successfully on its target is now increased by hit rating.

contradicting phrases

[deathstreal]

Taunt (and many other abilities of Warrior) is classified as a spell for resist chance purposes only (16% mitigatable + 1% unmitigatable) and should profit from Hit Rating, not Spell Hit Rating. Please refrain from posting on subjects you are not familiar with)

[Applescruffs]

Still an issue

[repae1f]

it's not issue, must be closed

[Applescruffs]

Brutallus still resists more than 1% on Live.

More proof that the boss had a different taunt resist table on retail here. Specifically read posts 97, 100, 102, 103, and 111.

[repae1f]

All of this posts made after 9 days from release and after 1 day tries. Great experience to calculate resist %%. Taunt resist doesn't mean wipe. Couple times we kill boss with 3-4 taunt resists in a row.