What did you do with the search engine in 13.3b and 13.4b?

[Sen-nin]

Hello. I was surprised to find DuckDuckGo had disapeared from the search engine list when I installed 13.3b. I had to find a way to get it back. In 13.4b, you added more unfamiliar search engines in addition to Quant. Quant only works in only limited areas. It does not work in Japan, for example. We cannot access it or get a warning message. Considering there are many beginners, I think you had better be a little more conservative about search engines. They even do not know the word search engine.

[Feodor2]

The search i put for default - the startpage would be enough for 99% including japan beginners. You tell what it failed to search about japan Meanwhile qwant is not default so beginners are past.

Before i used the duck search myself, but it become worse and worse and also censored, that's why i replaced it. wiki also goes politics and censored, not trustworthy too.

By the way It is very easy to set duck default back for you, no need any thirdparty things like mycraft whatever.

[zanud]

Hello, @Feodor2.

I am here with almost exactly same question: "What have happened? Why all well-known engines disappeared from the list?" I examined omni.ja and discovered that all existed in the past engines are removed.

After your explanation here, I want to ask: "Wouldn't it be better to preserve old engines, and just put your new ones to the start of list?" (so everyone still will be able easily select what he/shi prefers).

[AstroSkipper]

By the way It is very easy to set duck default back for you, no need any thirdparty things like mycraft whatever.

Hello @Feodor2,

May I kindly ask which way exactly you mean if the search engine to be added does not match the OpenSearch format?
Until now, I added search engines to Mypal 68 by using Mycroft or by websites supporting the OpenSearch format.

[NS-Clone]

конешно поступать в стиле М$-ZОG не очень хорошая идея обновлениё: мы заботимся о вас выпелено то, то, то безопасность ваших банковских щетов снова безопасна секюрити упдатес секюрити упдатес

[andika207]

Google is and will remain the best search engine for years until M$ finds a way to improve their crap Bing I am glad to see DuckDuckShit go. it's totally obsolete and I have never liked it. thanks @Feodor2

[K4sum1]

What is with all the weird changes like removing search engines and no searching in address bar?

[NS-Clone]

поиск в адрес баре ненужон!

[zanud]

Some people (including me) prefer to have a separate search bar, some people can not live without searching in address bar.

So there is a corresponding setting in the MyPal settings.

[andika207]

Some people (including me) prefer to have a separate search bar

I agree 100% this allows you to keep up the text on the search bar just in case you want to search the same thing on multiple tabs at a time or just change some words without the need to re-write it from scratch

[K4sum1]

You can just have a separate search bar without disabling searching in the address bar. Disabling that feature by default will be confusing for new users.

[Feodor2]

To tell again replced search providers with another because their search has been became bad and censored. You may prove me otherwise. Also you may set back former search by few clicks

[zanud]

To tell again replced search providers with another because their search has been became bad and censored.

This can be a justification for adding new providers and setting one of them as a default, but not for removing all old providers completely.

Also you may set back former search by few clicks

Where?

[Feodor2]

open desired search site next

[zanud]

next

Not all sites support this. For example, try to reproduce this on google.com or mail.ru

[andika207]

For example, try to reproduce this on google.com or mail.ru

@zanud where are you from?

[zanud]

@andika207 Is it about my origins or about my current location? 8-)

[andika207]

@andika207 Is it about my origins or about my current location? 8-)

either of them. cheers

[zanud]

USSR -> Ukraine -> Russia via some intermediate countries.

[andika207]

USSR -> Ukraine -> Russia via some intermediate countries.

I couldn't find any discussion thread in the www.forum.ru-board.com/forum.cgi isn't there any general public interest over there about Mypal68 ?

[zanud]

At least: Мой новый браузер - Mypal and MyPal 68

@Feodor2 is active on both.

[AstroSkipper]

open desired search site next

This way is not offered here, unfortunately. Here is a screenshot:

Thus, in the case of DuckDuckGo, your way doesn't work here.

[Sen-nin]

@Feodor2 Thank you. Your information regarding your decision on the search engine change is quite valuable.

The quality of search results may vary depending on the language, so I think it is best to be conservative for that reason too. As Japanese is an isolated language, totally different from any other language including Chinese or Korean, not to mention English, Google has been struggling for years to understand web pages written in Japanese. They may have had some success, but I am not so sure about other search engines. Recently bing and Duck have started producing good search results in Japanese.

Also, less popular search engines may show poorly designed web pages in Japanese as they may not have many Japanese web designers. In this regard as well, bing and Duck have improved a lot recently. Right now, Google, bing, and Duck have come to produce equally easy-to-read web pages. Startpage web page design is yet to be optimal.

Clicking on a plus sign or even using Mycroft Project search engine plugins would be too difficult for beginners. I think the best way is to add major search engines to the search engine list from the start.

I have several XP computers here and there. When I installed 13.3b on one of them and searched the Web, I was brought to Qwant, somehow not Startpage, and got a strange warning message in English like "we cannot show good search results from your area" or something like that.

As Japanese is an isolated language, almost no one understands foreign languages. We study English for at least six years in high school, but even then, less than 0.1% of Japanese can make somewhat meaningful utterances in English. Those less than 0.1% of us, who claim to be able to speak English, actually just utter a string of English words that do not make any sense at all. As such is the situation, a warning message in English must baffle Japanese users. Qwant shows the following message now:

Qwant The search engine that respects your privacy Thanks for your visit Unfortunately we are not yet available in your country.

If this were written in Japanese, experienced users would find a way out. I think we need to avoid a situation like this. It would be like Americans or Russians run into a Chinese warning message.

[zanud]

The search i put for default - the startpage would be enough for 99% including japan beginners.

Очень многие провайдеры выдают своим клиентам серые IP-адреса. А Startpage таких посетителей отшивает: "We're sorry for the inconvenience! Our system has detected the type of high-volume traffic coming from your internet connection that is normally associated with bots and scrapers."

Те, кто выходят в Интернет через популярные прокси, точно в таком же пролёте.

[andika207]

@Feodor2 is active on both.

I did mean, are there other Mypal68 devs aside from @Feodor2 ???

[zanud]

(Looking at pull requests list) I doubt.

[andika207]

(Looking at pull requests list) I doubt.

I can't believe nobody else all over the Russia land is not interested in this project.

this is a very sad news because with more active developers would could spot and fix bugs way faster

[Feodor2]

Give the example that duck-bing better search for japan. If its really confirmed i shall restore it

Also i don't know why no green thing for add new search engines, investigation is needed, finally use mycraft thing then.

And yes i only the developer.

[zanud]

Give the example that duck-bing better search for japan. If its really confirmed i shall restore it

What to do with fact that among Qwant, Startpage, Mojeek, and Brave only Brave works for me? All three others reject all requests either with "We do not support your language/country" or with "You are a bot".

It looks like 70-80% of MyPal users should go to Mycroftproject.com ("в сад").

[jonm58]

@Feodor2 Can you add Searxng search engines? https://searx.space/

[K4sum1]

You keep making changes that most people don't like. Instead of digging through here to find the one link that works to add x engine, they're probably just going to use New Moon or insert Chinese Chrome fork here. There exists no universe where a significant amount of people want Google, but are instantly defeated and use the default instead of digging here or replacing browser. Removing or changing x thing that is popular won't make people want to have it like that, it will make them use something else.

I myself even switched to Qwant for a significant amount of time. I switched back to DuckDuckGo because Qwant loaded slower, and didn't have built in conversion/translation functionality, or at least that was how it was at the time. Maybe it's better now, but if I want to throw MyPal on x device just to look up y thing, I don't want to fumble with search engines and fumble in about:config to not end up on a malware site on the computer and browser that would be vulnerable to it the most because .com was appended onto want I wanted to search.

Also I know whatever search engine is censored. In Firefox and with the address bar, if I don't get the results I want I just click the logo for a different search engine and it searches with it. If I want to search something that Google or DDG doesn't like, it's just one extra click for Qwant or whatever.

Conclusion (and TL;DR): You can have Qwant or whatever be the default, just add back the other search engines so if someone wants to use them they don't have to dig here for one site to add them for each computer.

Also make the address bar work for searching. You already use the search bar to search, it does not effect you if searching there works or not because you're not using it to search.

[andika207]

Also make the address bar work for searching.

I don't like to use the URL bar as the search engine because sometimes you are tipping something and the browser understands your are tipping a true URL and as such the page gets broken and causes more stress.

[andika207]

You keep making changes that most people don't like.

TALK FOR YOURSELF ! you like to attribute ''most people'' to a handful of random swallowers. https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal68/issues/101#issuecomment-1772076068

[jonm58]

你不断做出大多数人不喜欢的改变。

为自己说话！ 你喜欢将 “大多数人” 归因于少数随机吞食者。 第101章（评论）

@Feodor2 Open a discussion in Github,See how many search engines we can get? And the custom search engine thing.

[Feodor2]

Нда starpage зобанил меня за русск язык - удаляю нахрен,

[andika207]

@zanud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGU9rg6kEVc

[NS-Clone]

Нда starpage зобанил меня за русск язык - удаляю нахрен,

отрыл сразу получил посыл что я злостныйспамботюзателеьвпн хотя я его впервые вижу и зашол традиционным способом...

[NS-Clone]

Нда starpage зобанил меня за русск язык - удаляю нахрен,

тыж удоляй его у себя а не у всех как лгбтэпол

можот у кого то он и будет работать а кушать он не просит... ...мне например некогда выгугливать альтернативы гуг00лу и чем большо из коробки напихнано поисковиков тем лучшо (главное чтоб они не самообновлялись каждые 3 минуты)

или там какието подводные камни с телеметрией даже когда не исполльзуетсо?

[Feodor2]

@NS-Clone Так нифига себе я захотел проверить как он ищет на русском, а он меня послал, и теперь уже всегда посылает. Это ещё хуже уткабинга, нахер такой поисковик.

So let we to choose new default search engine, alse maybe restore duck-obing, but wont do it default for sure.

[NS-Clone]

@NS-Clone Так нифига себе я захотел проверить как он ищет на русском, а он меня послал, и теперь уже всегда посылает. Это ещё хуже уткабинга, нахер такой поисковик.

воще зашибезный ресурс судя по сгенерированному линку https://www.startpage.com/sp/captcha-block****

он вообще прекрасно определил что я сижу с мобильного оператора (и какого) и это ко мне еще предъявы про подозрительную активность?

[Sen-nin]

@Feodor2

Give the example that duck-bing better search for japan.

I think I never said duck or bing is better than any other search engine. What I said is that they are doing a fairly good job in Japan recently.

Search engine algorithms are revised several times a day. They are drastically revised a few times a year. I cannot guarantee what will happen to them tomorrow or next week.

In any case, I will come up with some examples later on.

[andika207]

I think I never said duck or bing is better than any other search engine. What I said is that they are doing a fairly good job in Japan recently.

wasn't Yahoo the leading search engine in Japan ?

[Sen-nin]

Yahoo! Japan used to nearly monopolize the search engine market in Japan. At that time Yahoo! used to have their own search engine. Then Yahoo.com (USA) gave up. They started to use bing instead. Yahoo! Japan (yahoo.co.jp), a separate company, decided not to use bing but instead they started to use Google. Here is the latest stats:

Google 75.98% Yahoo! 16.24% bing 7.13% Duck 0.31%

Google's share is 92% in Japan if Google and Yahoo! are put together.

I used to exclusively use Google myself, but now I use duck most of the time. I do still use Google to find my own websites.

Why duck? Because it does not show Japanese if my browser language is set to English. That is an absolutely necessary feature if you teach English. In addition, I mostly use duck image search.

Suppose I am to teach the word dog, I need photos or illustrations labelled "dog," not "犬 (inu)" which means dog. Why? Because I use photos and illustrations in order to avoid using or showing the Japanese language.

These days duck is as good as Google most of the time, so I do not need to switch to Google in the case of normal search activities unless I am to find my own websites.

But that's my very personal preference. Everybody else probably just wants the old search engines back.

I almost forgot. I do use Google to find how many instances of a certain phrase or word exist in search results. For example, I may need to find how often "Merry New Year" is used and whether that expression is correct or not. In that case, I use Google because bing or duck cannot be used for that purpose. There are probably many teachers who do the same. It is not actually the right way to get accurate information about these things, but it is the fastest way. The right way to do it is to search a language corpus.

Other than these two, there is no need to go to Google these days. Of course, that does not mean Google is any worse than duck.

[jonm58]

DDG uses Bing’s Data and uses Chinese IP to only provide data specially provided in China. :(

[andika207]

Why duck? Because it does not show Japanese if my browser language is set to English. That is an absolutely necessary feature if you teach English.

so if you look up ''dog images'' with google it will show japanese websites ?

[Feodor2]

бинг на русск ищет номально

I very very do not like when search sites mess the links. So what do you think about brave and to set it default?

[zanud]

So what do you think about brave and to set it default?

Will I see ads in Brave Search? Do this ads work with Brave Rewards?

Brave Search is ad supported and, unlike other search providers, our ads adhere to the principle of privacy-first. Ultimately, our vision is to expand the Brave Ads ecosystem to include search ads that reward users for viewing them. But this is still a work in progress; for now, Brave Search ads are not eligible for Brave Rewards. We hope to have more news on this in the coming months.

Users who want to support the Brave Search mission, and get an ad-free experience, can upgrade to Brave Search Premium.

Почему я вижу рекламу в Brave Поиске?

Brave Поиск работает благодаря рекламе, но мы всегда обеспечиваем конфиденциальность в отличие от других компаний. В будущем пользователи будут получать вознаграждение за просмотр объявлений при поиске по программе «Brave Награды». В ближайшие месяцы мы постараемся рассказать об этом больше.

Если вы хотите поддержать Brave Поиск и убрать рекламу, оформите премиум-подписку.

У DDG реклама хотя бы отключается в настройках.

[NS-Clone]

I very very do not like when search sites mess the links.

ну так жо? гугол собирает статистику переходов определяет полезность результатов выдачи (хотя глядя на результаты поиска последнее время...) ну вощем в здравом уме ТЫ и так не будешь вбивать в г00гол ТО чего... ну ты понел

раньше вроде был плагин для разгугливания ссылок интересно для нового квантума такой есть? (никак не доходят руки поискать) ибо тоже поднадоело невозможность по людски скопирровать ссылку

а так больше напрягаетт встроенный практически в каждую страницу г00гляндексовский жабоскрипт... особенно это хорошо сочетаетсо с заблочением яндокса в незалежанной в итоге долбанные страницы последние 8 летт НИКОГДА не сохраняютсо а от кнопки рефлеша как правило в сохраненных страницах отваливаетсо весь css и все картинки... и то что носкрипты разрешают их для всего и вся а не для конкретной страницы...

[zanud]

раньше вроде был плагин для разгугливания ссылок интересно для нового квантума такой есть? (никак не доходят руки поискать)

Google сначала показывает нормальную ссылку, а на шпионскую она подменяется в момент щёлкания по ней. Для борьбы с этим плагин не нужен, можно обойтись с помощью userscript. А скрипт - один и тот же - работает в браузере любого вида. Я в прошлом себе такие писал - и для Google, и для Яндекса. Да и NoScript справиться должен.

[NS-Clone]

Да и NoScript справиться должен.

г00гл ужо некоторое время без жабоскрипта выдает бланкпейдж

[zanud]

Тогда userscript - отменять навешанный на ссылки обработчик события click. Вот те склады: OpenUserJS, Greasy Fork, Tampermonkey. Поройся, может там уже готовые решения есть.