Closed zhengj2007 closed 4 months ago
Hi, ClinEpiDB looks like a great resource and we're happy to see food ontology used there! It looks like many of your [x] food product terms are already in FoodOn but we'd be happy to take the remainder.
The diet terms would normally go into ONS, Ontology for Nutritional Studies, which FoodOn imports the diet and dietary pattern of. ONS is promising a bit of a revamp though, so let me check in with them to see where they are at with that.
@ddooley Thanks for your quick response. It's great that FOODON would like to take the food product terms. If you need further information for adding new food product terms, please feel free to let us know.
ONS does not look like in good shape. But if they'd like to improve it and take the diet terms, we are happy to submit the terms to ONS. Thanks for checking with them.
Discussed at FoodOn curation call Oct 13. We're interested in getting more information on your use of dietary terms with respect study metadata representation / model. We will follow up with a call/presentation invite!
As well I'll send a list of matched x food product foodon terms; with remainder welcome into FoodOn.
We will work on representations/models and discuss with your team.
A preliminary use of our https://lexmapr.cidgoh.ca/ tool identifies these matching food products . I've left the bad matches in red at bottom of list - terms that I can see FoodOn needs new entries for - but the others should be ready to go.
It looks good. Thanks!
Jie- I'm working with Damion + team on curating the new terms you've asked for. If possible, it would be really helpful to learn just a bit more context around how you plan to use some of the terms, so that we're setting things up in a way that matches your needs. Specifically we have some questions about the overlap/mutual exclusivity of some of the diet terms, and how we might best model the "foods rich in [nutrient]" terms. Could we find 30 min for a chat sometime in the next week or so? Let me know a time that's good for you (I'm on US Central time, but I can be pretty flexible). Thanks! --Troy
Hi @truemping, It sounds good to have a call for it. @johnwjudkins in our team will show you how the terms are used in our project and what terms we need from FOODON. Both John and I are available this Wednesday after 3PM EST and this Friday. Could you please let us know what time is good to you? Thanks!
@zhengj2007 @johnwjudkins could we meet Wed, 2 Nov, at 3pm EST? Here is the link for our conversation: https://meet.google.com/wiw-hxan-tey Talk to you soon.
@truemping That works for me. Thanks.
@truemping Works for me too. Thanks!
food-design-pattern.xlsx I'm submitting our list in a ROBOT template format of all our terms related to food/diet. First in the list are food products (which I think you'd be most interested in) followed by information terms about food products in particular contexts.
The ID column values are for VEuPath internal use to keep track of IDs we may replace in our project files. The Note column is just notes for clarity/discussion on a few terms; it's not meant to be an annotation property.
@truemping @ddooley I should have tagged you in my last comment. By the way, I mentioned in a note in the spreadsheet there that the VEuPathDB ontology has 'breastfeeding process', and it could fit in FOODON, but GO already has suckling behavior.
thanks @johnwjudkins for the great prep here. We'll go through everything in detail and get back to you shortly.
@truemping @ddooley Following up. Any progress on the requested terms, especially for these food products?
moderate malnutrition supplement food product severe malnutrition supplement food product fortified food product iron rich food product vitamin A rich food product dark green leafy vegetable food product
I'm still wondering what is the best way to ontologize foods that are "rich" in some nutrient. Perhaps we could just use PATO's increased amount, or we could refer to some standard of how much of a nutrient a food has to contain to be considered "rich".
@johnwjudkins so sorry for the slow progress here. We've done some preliminary analysis, and I'm hoping to finalize most of the terms with the team over the course of this week. How about if we set up a time at the end of this week or beginning of next week to review things? Hopefully it will all be pretty self-explanatory, but perhaps we'll need to discuss 1-2 places where things were tricky. My calendar on 1/27 and 1/30 is pretty flexible-- what works best for you?
@truemping Thanks for following up. I'll be out those two days, but I could meet next week at our previous meeting time (Wed. 3 PM eastern). @zhengj2007 what do you think?
@johnwjudkins It works for me.
Yes, 3pm EST on Wed, Feb 1. Below is a link we can use for the meeting. @johnwjudkins @zhengj2007 @ddooley
Review new FoodOn terms for GeneEpiDB Wednesday, February 1 · 2:00 – 3:00pm Google Meet joining info Video call link: https://meet.google.com/tdt-kdoj-pnv
Initial draft of robot template, to add some terms to FoodOn, attached. (draft values, not finalized) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1er_JFhJCFbCkezsDyilSVek_PAmj_UerbBQywy3xXLg/edit?usp=sharing
@truemping The link doesn't work. Could you please check it? Thanks!
@zhengj2007 I think the hyperlink is some kind of apple security hoop; but if you cut and paste that as text into a browser it will work.
@ddooley It worked. Thanks!
@zhengj2007 @johnwjudkins Please don't make any changes to the document I uploaded yesterday. (It's not the "master" anymore, because we've loaded this text elsewhere and then edited it.) I'll let you know when we have a "solid draft, near final" for you to review.
It turns out we don't have a specific list of "dark green leafy vegetables" in our project. But there is a description with examples here: https://www.ars.usda.gov/plains-area/gfnd/gfhnrc/docs/news-2013/dark-green-leafy-vegetables/
To see if we can finish this item off I have added the following terms to foodon draft:
One question is whether we can deemphasize "dark green leafy vegetable food product" in favour of "dark green leafy vegetable food material"? We're starting to veer away from "food product" towards "food material" categories where possible insofar as food products require some kind of processing done to them; whereas one might want to talk about the dark green vegetable leaves without implying processing.
@ddooley Thanks for working on it. Both John and I left the VEuPathDB team. And the clinEpiDB is not funded now. I think FOODON can add the terms as you prefer. The terms may help other projects.
Ok, thanks. Closing now. Slight addendum: dark green leafy vegetable food material is now FOODON_00005045
The Clinical and Epidemiology Database (ClinEpiDB, https://clinepidb.org/) is an open-access online resource for exploring and analyzing clinical and epidemiologic studies. We integrated the studies from multiple resources and standardized data using OBO Foundry ontologies. It contains the datasets, such as interaction of enteropathogenic infection and undernutrition. So, the ClinEpiDB need many terms associated with nutrition, food products, and diets. The ClinEpiDB is developed by VEuPathDB team. We added the terms in VEuPathDB ontology issue 394 since most of the terms are information content entities (ICEs) that are about food products and diets. But we'd like to associate the ICEs with food products.
Here are the food product terms we need:
Besides, we also need some diet terms, such as the terms listed below.
If the FOODON would like to take the terms, we will submit the terms following FOODON NTRs tracker.