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Non-obvious Forth Books #51

Open rdrop-exit opened 7 years ago

rdrop-exit commented 7 years ago

I'm trying to compile a list of books where Forth or Forth-like constructs figure prominently, but where Forth is not in the title.

Browsing my shelves I have at least the following (not counting books on Postscript or HP calculators):

I'd appreciate any contributions to this list.

MitchBradley commented 7 years ago

IEEE 1275-1994 Standard for Boot (Initialization, Configuration) Firmware

not exactly a "book", but it passes the "duck test" for books.

impomatic commented 7 years ago

Cellular Automata Machines (Toffoli and Margolus)

wejgaard commented 7 years ago
darozak commented 6 years ago

Unfortunately, I don't have any books to contribute but I'm very interested in reading some of this material. As you compile the list, would it be possible to list the publication dates? Given how quickly the field is evolving, the year would provide a helpful clue re the publication's scope and context.

ruv commented 6 years ago

BTW, why do not to use onsite wiki to maintain this list?

darozak commented 6 years ago

I agree. The wiki would be a perfect place to develop this list! I've copied the above publications to the following page: https://github.com/ForthHub/discussion/wiki/ForthPublications

eatonphil commented 6 years ago

One issue with the wiki is that you don't receive updates! In an issue you're always emailed and notified in Github.com if there are new comments (and you're following the repo).

larsbrinkhoff commented 6 years ago

I like that issues encourage discussions. The GitHub wiki implementation doesn't.

ruv commented 6 years ago

From technical point of view, notifications of this wiki changes can be implemented by any third party since the wiki has its git repository: https://github.com/ForthHub/discussion.wiki.git (it is not accessible via browser).

List of books is a kind of database. But GitHub issues are not very suitable to maintain such databases. GitHub wiki fits better. An ordinary git repository can be also used for that.

darozak commented 6 years ago

I have a feeling that new books will continue to be suggested through this thread. Which is cool for all the reasons mentioned above. But its also easy enough for someone to intermittently port them into the wiki for a running list. In other words both systems could complement one another. Just a thought.

rdrop-exit commented 6 years ago

Up and Running with Asyst 2.0 (Campbell et al, 1987)

rdrop-exit commented 6 years ago

Designing and Programming Personal Expert Systems (Carl Townsend & Dennis Feucht, TAB Books, 1986)

larsbrinkhoff commented 6 years ago

It would be great if there was a explanation how Forth figures prominently in these books.

rdrop-exit commented 6 years ago

It would be great if there was a explanation how Forth figures prominently in these books.

This book analyzes and compares the various threaded code interpretation approaches and discusses the design of specialized coprocessor chips for accelerating threaded code interpretation. One of my favorite Forth-related books.

Detailed description of one man's idiosyncratic Z80 ITC Forth implementation. This was a hardbound book published by Byte Magazine, it reuses the famous cover image from the Byte special issue on Forth.

Compares the constructs of a few representative programming languages from a language design perspective, Forth is one the main languages examined and compared.

Hybrid Forth/C approach to a Prolog VM for embedded systems. Louis Odette was a frequent contributor to FORML and JFAR on the topic of Forth in Expert systems (one of his FORML papers was about a system for NASA's Skylab).

Proceedings of the second (IIRC) ACM HOPL conference. Includes Rather's paper on the early years of Forth (IIRC this is an extended version of the paper that's available online).

Includes the transcript of a Chuck Moore interview on Forth software and hardware, IIRC the free online version of the interview only includes the software portion.

Slim book on a roll your own Forth extension language for C/C++ applications.

A Verilog primer for the old Nexys 2 FPGA board that uses the design of a Forth core as its culminating example. (Richard Haskell was a contributor to various Forth publications).

This book describes a development and VM runtime system for portable software that had suspiciously many similarities to Forth but using different buzzwords, implementations include Apple II and Sperry Univac 1100.

Asyst was a fairly popular Forth-based data acquisition and analysis package.

This book was mentioned by Will Baden in the 1986 FORML paper "Escaping Forth" as being a book about Forth. I'm not familiar with it.

larsbrinkhoff commented 6 years ago

Excellent, thanks!

rdrop-exit commented 6 years ago

IPS - High Level Programming of Small Systems (Karl Meinzer) ISBN 0-9530507-0-X

Forth Inspired OS used on satellites in the 70s. Book is now available as PDF here: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/products/ipsbk.html

Recent discussion on the Forth Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Forth/comments/9ssakt/does_anybody_know_ips/

catb0t commented 5 years ago

"Janus, A Summing Up", at least the ones amazon (sorry) lists, appears to have nothing to do with computing, and was essentially written by a journalist of the 20th century. Janus in computing refers to 2 non-Forth languages

Anyway, I removed that from the wiki.

wejgaard commented 5 years ago

"Janus" deserves an explanation, I agree.

In "Janus, A Summing Up" Arthur Koestler coined the term Holon to describe an entity that is both a whole built of parts and a part of a higher whole. In general, there are different rules on each level. This is a property of natural systems. It also applies to Forth words, I believe and use in Holonforth. - Koestler's concept is discussed on the web as the "Holarchy". It is not the usual way to see Forth, but it explains for me the continuing interest in Forth via some unconscious understanding.

For another influence of Holons on programming see Donald Knuth's recollection in http://www.literateprogramming.com/

cwpjr commented 5 years ago

My distillation of forth wisdom aligns with the notion stated. Different rules, or handling of different word types (I know ~ lol). I use WORDCATS (a set or words labeled like a vocabulary) to group words with similar granularity together. When what I right feels like lumpy gravy I re-factor.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:51 AM Wolf Wejgaard notifications@github.com wrote:

"Janus" deserves an explanation, I agree. Here it comes, for your reconsideration.

In "Janus, A Summing Up" (as a recap of ideas collected in "The Ghost in the Machine") Arthur Koestler coined the term Holon to describe an entity that is both a whole built of parts and a part of a higher whole. In general, there are different rules on each level. This is a property of natural systems. It also applies to Forth words, I believe and use in Holonforth. - Koestler's concept is discussed on the web as the "Holarchy". It is not the usual way to see Forth, but it explains for me the continuing interest in Forth via some unconscious understanding.

For another influence of Koestler on programming see Donald Knuth's recollection in http://www.literateprogramming.com/

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